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The Hive Five: Game Ninety-Three

Shades of Milwaukee-Charlotte. Anyone remember that series? I'd rather not...

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This wasn't supposed to happen...

Obviously not the way I drew up Game 6. Gregg Popovich finally went to the Duncan on West switch, and boy did it pay off for them. If anyone wants to question Timothy's countless All-Defensive Team credentials, they should be directed to footage of this game, specifically his footwork. I don't know if I've ever seen a 7 footer (let alone that he is a 32 year old in his 11th season) move laterally better than that in my life. I mean, Kevin Garnett could be taking lessons from this guy, that's how good he was. But enough with the hyperbole.

Matthew of Pounding the Rock made a great point pre-game- putting TD on DX might fire up West emotionally, a bad thing for us. And that's exactly what happened. DX lost his head after that quick succession of foul calls (I'll do a post about the foul calls later). Duncan's defense got into his head. But I'd like to point out the awesomeness of CP3 at this juncture. What other 23 year old could grab the attention of every player on his team, calmly explain the situation to them, and then rally his guys back? If we could've just made some open shots, this game was there for the taking. We have Chris Paul's composure to thank for that.

And then there was the Robert Horry play: I believe it was totally 100% intentional. I believe it was a malicious play. I don't care that Mark Jackson called it a "playoff foul." Answer me this- what reason did Horry have to push West in the back as he was backpedalling? One, West was totally out of position, stumbling backwards. Two, Horry had the inside offensive possession to the hoop. Three, there was no way he was setting a screen, because the guard had already gotten past his defender and Horry and West were a good distance from the play. Spurs fans have been calling the Hornets "classless." Tell your "7 time NBA Champion" to exhibit some class before ever speaking on the subject again. Horry knew about West's severe back pain. He knew West was totally out of the play defensively. After this game, I know that Robert Horry is a classless individual.

But back to the game itself- homecourt advantage continued to take its toll on the visiting team. This contest was far, far closer than the final score will say. We consistently got wide open looks in the third only to lay brick after brick. Meanwhile, they got good looks too, and they drilled 'em. Story of the night, story of the night... on to the factors:

Pace

Eff

eFG

FT/FG

OREB%

TOr

NOR

87.0

92.0

42.5%

15.0

13.6

10.3

SAS

113.8

56.5%

15.6

17.1

13.8

  1. Shooting (X): I don't know what it is, but it is what it is. The Spurs just shoot the lights out at home. This obviously brings up a coaching conundrum- do you rely on the fact that S.A. can't hit the jumper on the road and keep going under screens? I'm glad I'm not Byron Scott. But seriously, we're going to have to hit wide open shots. DX missed at least 5 of those today. We failed to take advantage of what was clearly a good shooting night for Peja.
  2. Turnovers (): It's hard to say you "lost" a game due to turnovers when you have an amazing turnover rate of 10.3. But the majority of those turnovers came in that horrendous third quarter where guys were losing their composure left and right. The second offensive on Paul was a stupid call but the first was legit, as was David West's charge call. We had our chances, we just gave them away when it counted most.
  3. Rebounding (X): Anyone else miss the Tyson Chandler of old? After two terrific games, his rebounding numbers have gone like so: 8, 4, 8, and 6. Sure he went 7-8, but his rebounding is a critical part of this team. 
  4. Free Throws (): Neither team fouled much (19-21), but the Spurs went to the line five more times than the Hornets. Additionally, New Orleans didn't get a single free throw in the third. When Melvin Ely leads your team in FTA (4), you're in trouble.
  5. Pace (87): The pace picked up considerably from last time. What stands out about our transition game, though, is the three missed opportunities we had on the break (all in the 3rd). The first was Paul striking Bowen across the face with his off hand, a legitimate offensive foul call. The second was Bowen running up behind Paul, getting brushed by CP3's hand, and picking up another charge call. That was a definite home team call. The final one was where Paul got the rim and left a layup short. If we get three scores on those fast breaks, it's a whole different game.

Some final thoughts: While the stadium chanting Robert Horry's name after he injured West was disgraceful, the guys at PtR were very classy about it. Props to them for showing the respect they did. I loved how Peja abused Bowen throughout the first quarter. Even more than that, I loved the scornful glare he delivered at Bowen after each score. We'll need him to play like that Monday. I mentioned this in the game thread but it's worth mentioning again- the long layoff until Game 7 will actually end up working in our favor (due to West's injury) and not the Spurs' as many presumed. Bonzi Wells was a total no-show once again, registering 0 points, 0 rebounds, 2 fouls, and a -5 in 7 minutes. General Pargo was easily the worst bench player, registering a -18 in 15 minutes... how does that happen? That's on the level of Melvin Ely putting up a -3 in 4 seconds of action. After combining for 8 blocks in Game 5, Tyson and DX combined for zero tonight. Finally, you'll notice that this recap was conspicuously evasive of how the game was called (other than the Ben Gay Bob incident) so more on that in the morning...

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4) THEY HAD LIKE A 20 POINT LEAD AT THE TIME.

by ticktock6 on May 15, 2008 11:39 PM CDT   0 recs

Argh

Good point indeed.

by atthehive on May 15, 2008 11:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

From A Huge Spurs Fan

Yeah, sorry ‘bout the chanting of Horry’s name.

I really don’t think that was on purpose. Chandler did the same thing to Tony Parker earlier in the series. I know what you mean with the positions thing, but I think Horry was trying to draw a foul. He expected West to turn and guard whoever received that pass, not leap for it … and you have to admit, it was a pretty good time for West to exit the court, seein’ how he needs to rest his back and seein’ how the Spurs were gonna win. I mean, West doesn’t want to look like a puss and just LEAVE.

Anyway, think this series is a huge credit to both teams, with the whole Tony Parker / Chris Paul friendship, David West emulating Drob, and Wake Forrest alums or people coached by that old Wake Forrest staff all over the court, CP3, Duncan and West included. Expecting an awesome Game 7.

Go Spurs,

Sabre

"If I Lead / Will You Follow ..."

Manu Ginobili makes 60% of his shots in the last 5 min of any given game. ~ John Hollinger

by Sabrewulf on May 15, 2008 11:41 PM CDT   0 recs

Thanks for the comment

Maybe I’m just really mad right now. I’m going to watch the play again in the morning (with a clearer head) to see if that changes my mind any. Good luck to you guys in Game 7. I’m sure it will be a battle all the way.

by atthehive on May 15, 2008 11:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It’s wasn’t a dirty foul. Replace West with any other Hornet on the floor and no one will say a thing about that foul. You know it. I know it. The world knows it. The only reason this is even an issue is because West has a gimpy back. But just because you have a gimpy back, doesn’t give you a pass. But I will say that I was disappointed with our fans “mob” mentality when they chanted Horry’s name. That was bull shit and we don’t stand for that.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 16, 2008 11:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OK

I disagree with your first point (see below) but thank you for the second.

by mattmc89 on May 16, 2008 11:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's the point

I think Horry hit West because he knew about his back. Obviously if he hit Ely or someone, it wouldn’t be as big a deal. But it would still make me feel wary of Horry.

by atthehive on May 16, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Do you not remember all those playoff series where Shaq would get drilled over and over again in the thighs by other players knees? It literally wore him down. But you didn’t hear Shaq complaining about it. It’s part of the game. It’s part of banging on the inside. If an oppenent is laboring, you make him play with pain. Now, this is different than trying to injure him. I would never condone that. But in every sport, if you know a guy is playing through pain, you make it harder on him to play.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 16, 2008 11:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sabre, I respect the fact that you are a gentleman about it, but I have to disagree. Atthehive’s analysis mirrored Jim’s over at the official Hornets blog: there was no legitimate reason for Horry to be running a screen at that point in the play at that space on the floor. I don’t think he is a dirty player, but that was a wicked dirty play.

The sad thing is, you have hard fouls like Songalia on Lebron, which I thought (and so did many others) was just a hard playoff foul, and he gets suspended (possibly changing the outcome of that series). But Horry, subtle as the play was, was legitimately trying to hurt an injured player (which may yet affect the outcome of this series). Crazy. This after the league refused to acknowledge that J-Kidd tried to throw Pargo’s head to the floor last series. Maybe we should roll on the ground and writhe in pain more instead of just popping up.

Ah, fuck that, we’re winners. We’ll see what happens in Game 7. I’ll be there, and I may or may not be throwing shurikens out of baggy sleeves at Robert Horry and/or any given Spur.

by m-W on May 15, 2008 11:54 PM CDT   0 recs

I am still hot this morning

That wasn’t a hard foul to disrupt a fast break or stop an easy basket. That was intention to injure for the purpose of getting him off the floor. There was NO purpose to the foul other than to get DWest out of the game and maybe the series.

Start Wells Monday to ‘fall’ on Manu’s ankle. OOPS! What? He cant walk without surgery? Thats so sad….

by mattmc89 on May 16, 2008 6:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

in agreement

although i might concede that D-West hurt his back reaching for that pass he deflected, there was no legitimate reason for Horry to be leaning in like that unless his intent was to foul or injure.

by in the 9th on May 16, 2008 8:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

k well leaning in to a screen is a moot point, considering both players are 230 lbs.+. you can’t stand and wait straight up and plan to be standing when the player has no clue horry is there. like the commentators said during game 5 when chandler leaned into parker on a screen (same foul if you dont want to call it playoff bball), duncan (or any other player on defense) should have communicated that he was there. i still don’t find it dirty, and yes, maybe i’m just a stupid homer.

do you honestly expect a team to “take it easy” on a player who has admitted he is injured? barkley admitted that, if he were playing and knew someone was injured, he would hack at the injured area to mess them up (yes i watched the whole thing, he did say horry’s foul was not part of the play so it was dirty, but the point is teams are idiots not to take advantage of it).

one thing i will say about the foul. Manu Ginobili is VERY unpredictable. VERY. VERY. unpredictable. that is the whole reason why he is so good, and why he became such a star when Pop realized that if he stopped trying to control him, he’d be unstoppable. The very reason why i think Horry’s pick was not malicious (i may have said it wasn’t intentional in another thread but i have changed my terminology) was because it is impossible to assume what ginobili is going to do.

If you look, Manu could have driven to the hoop. Maybe unsuccessfully, but that is not the point. The point is he could have. Did Horry expect manu to jump and pass? Hell no. Which is why Horry set the pick assuming manu would drive at the baseline, and unfortunately, West jumped to deflect and caught the bad end of the pick. I know you may say he might have been by his defender before driving, and that is exactly my point, horry picked to prevent west from blocking his drive. Even with the pick, Gino decided to pass. i dont know why, he is too unpredictable.

In my BIASED opinion and as a result of West jumping INTO Horry’s hands//elbows//anything that could hurt an already injured back, he fell to the floor.

yes this is old news and i don’t expect many to respond to it except the administrator who i know of (attehehive), but these are my beliefs, and i’m sticking to them.

you WILL be successful in the future, that i can promise you, you are talented as hell as long as you keep your core around. Keep your pride, i realize how much your city has gone through recently, and i can’t comprehend what you all have dealt with.

As the PtR fans say, “Keep pounding the rock”

What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)

the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post

by Hamer_SpursFan on May 20, 2008 12:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

by the way, i do not condone the SA fans who chanted “horry” after the foul. that does NOT represent the majority who praise humility, passion, commitment, teamwork, and respect. That was the minority of fans who are not as passionate as those who are regulars on PtR. Please refer to that as the source of fandom for the San Antonio Spurs!

What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)

the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post

by Hamer_SpursFan on May 20, 2008 12:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OK

Let me introduce myself. Huge Suns fan, who also has a healthy respect for the Hornets. Just want to wish you guys luck in game 7. Believe me when I say that beating those SA bastards would bring forth ungodly amounts of joy in the now saddened Valley of the Sun.

So with all that in mind, GO HORNETS!!!

"Troops in desperate straights know no fear. Where there is no escape, they stand firm; When they have entered deep, they persist; When they see no hope, they fight." Sun Tzu The Art of War

by Turambar on May 16, 2008 1:03 AM CDT   0 recs

enough of this

Robert Horry is not a dirty player.

That said, you don’t get through 240 playoff games without learning the value of a “playoff foul”.

The Nash foul was a foul, but it was Nash that accentuated it.

The West foul was a foul… only because Horry leaned into it. It wasn’t dirty. It was a back-pick that is set with regularity in most any basketball game. West should have better court-awareness (especially with a back injury).

In fact, the only complaint is about the San Antonio fans – not Horry. The Fans chanting “horry, horry, horry” was awful. West was hurt and they are cheering the other guy? Shameful.

by grungedave on May 16, 2008 8:53 AM CDT   0 recs

Agreed...however

Horry is from a different day of the NBA, he’s relic of a time when hard fouls were accepted and hand checking was manadatory, when the wussification of the NBA was still ahead of us…The Nash foul, and the West foul, however much hey pissed me off, were just hard fouls.

THAT SAID, the Spurs are the posterchildren for the kind of arm-flailing, flopping, whining, incredulity that has made the NBA an unwatchable foul fest at times. If Horry and the Spurs want to take the “hard playoff foul” stance on this one, that’s fine, but I don’t want to hear any complaining or crying when Manu happens to get Laimbeer special from Melvin Ely when he’s coming down the lane in Game 7.

Every other sport has its unwritten rules of retaliation that help keep relative peace. The NBA would do well to write some of their own.

I guess it was the beatings made me wise. But I'm not about to give thanks, or apologize.

by TheJeezus on May 16, 2008 10:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If you haven't noticed

Manu plays better the more he is hit. I welcome any player to hack Ginobili. Just sit back and enjoy the show.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 16, 2008 11:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

If by “plays” you mean “whines incessantly” then think you’ve got a good point. For some reason when he’s bitching to refs I always imagine him talking like Peter in this Family Guy clip. I know he’s not Italian, but he reminds me so much of Roberto Benigni...I just can’t help it.

I guess it was the beatings made me wise. But I'm not about to give thanks, or apologize.

by TheJeezus on May 16, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey hey

Let’s not get into Ginobili dissing here. Dude’s one of my favorite basketball players, and he’s one of our league’s best.

by atthehive on May 16, 2008 11:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ginobili

is actually the one guy from their Big Three who has super impressed me this series. He has no business making the shots he makes. Parker’s been good too, I guess, but it’s hard for me to appreciate him… we have Chris Paul.

by ticktock6 on May 16, 2008 11:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No

When I say “plays”... I mean wins 3 NBA Championships, 1 Gold Medal in the Olympics and most recently a 6th man of the year award. Hope that helps to clarify.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 16, 2008 11:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey

The guy has obviously proven himself as a great talent, but that doesn’t make him any less comical for me…

I guess it was the beatings made me wise. But I'm not about to give thanks, or apologize.

by TheJeezus on May 16, 2008 11:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you certainly don’t show any respect for gino. i realize its almost impossible to see “whining, flopping, etc.” from your team, but news flash, every team does it!

this is not a new thing and not something the “foreigners” brought into the league, flopping//whining was part of the league before our big 3 was winning rings.

What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)

the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post

by Hamer_SpursFan on May 20, 2008 12:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh...

...and one more thing. Robert Horry IS a dirty player, but that’s ok…the NBA needs a few. I’m a Mavs fan, and I’ll freely admit Jerry Stackhouse is a dirty player.

It’s ok to have dirty players, just don’t get bent out of shape when the rest of league hates you for it.

I guess it was the beatings made me wise. But I'm not about to give thanks, or apologize.

by TheJeezus on May 16, 2008 10:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can't subscribe to this logic

I love physical play, love hard fouls to prevent layups. But hitting for hitting’s sake? That’s where I draw the line.

by atthehive on May 16, 2008 11:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's the thing Dave

I didn’t think it was a back-pick. Both players were standing virtually underneath the hoop. Ginobili was already past his man. And with West moving backwards, there was no way in hell he was getting back into the play. The final thing is that you set a back pick when a player reaches you. That’s the point… if you realize he isn’t going to reach you, there’s zero reason why you would need to ram into his back. That’s what irked so many people- it just didn’t make sense in terms of basketball strategy. Even a Spurs fan remarked in the Game Thread over at PtR that that play was extremely strange from a pure basketball viewpoint.

By the way, when are you and Lee joining up with SB Nation??

by atthehive on May 16, 2008 11:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

The game was already decided. West was having a BAD GAME. The sole purpose of the foul was to make him hurt bad or not at all in Game 7. THATS dirty.

by mattmc89 on May 16, 2008 11:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Guys don't go down this road

You’re sounding like Suns fans and they actually had legit reasons. You’re trying to interpret what Horry was thinking now….

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 16, 2008 11:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Keep in mind

We’re not taking anything away from the rest of the game. The rest of the Spurs were outstanding. We’re not blaming the outcome on anything but your talent.

But I don’t see why Horry did that… I’m willing to listen to any and all basketball explanations. I’m just speaking from what I saw, not what I think Horry did.

by atthehive on May 16, 2008 11:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let me lay out what I think was wrong with the play.

1. Why the screen? (A) Ginobili was free. If anything, Horry could have been rolling for a layup. (B) West was way too far from being able to impact the play meanginfully.

2. That was not a “traditional” pick. You normally keep your hands low. Horry brought them up into West’s back.

3. Why did he try to hit West when West was already out of the play? Horry jumps into West, knowing full well that West is too far.

Again, I’m more than willing to listen to bball rationale behind these three. Sorry if I come across as a homer. :)

by atthehive on May 16, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

watch the foul again.

Really, just watch it. Look at the time on the clock, look at West’s box numbers. look at the score.

by mattmc89 on May 16, 2008 11:18 AM CDT   0 recs

West was having a bad game. It wasn’t like he was popping off for 30 pts and Horry was trying to send him to the bench. Horry was maintaining his position and West was blindly backing into the lane… And if Horry was really trying to hurt West, you would have seen a much harder hit.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 16, 2008 11:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I quote Gil’s commentary from earlier in the season when Kenyon Martin elbowed Ely in the eye socket:

“It may not have been intentional, but it sure as hell was on purpose.”

by ticktock6 on May 16, 2008 11:26 AM CDT   0 recs

Is that a Yogi quote?

I’m gonna use that.

I guess it was the beatings made me wise. But I'm not about to give thanks, or apologize.

by TheJeezus on May 16, 2008 11:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

lemme follow this

So, since Horry is known for being a vicious asshole, that fact that he was somehow less vicious makes it OK? Please….

by mattmc89 on May 16, 2008 11:26 AM CDT   0 recs

How can you call Horry a vicious asshole? He gives Steve Nash one hard foul last year and now for his entire career he’s a vicious asshole? You can’t be serious.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 16, 2008 11:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry CMoney

We’re still just mad (maybe somewhat irrationally). I wouldn’t call him that either.

by atthehive on May 16, 2008 11:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was less concerned about the terms used

thank I was about the point about gradiation. If he is known for hard fouling and this was less hard fouling, that doesnt change anything. It was still intentional to hurt him away from the play.

Before this series, I always thought of Horry as the guy who made the clutch plays that knocked my favorite teams out the playoffs.

by mattmc89 on May 16, 2008 11:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You’re confusing what Horry was trying to do. He wasn’t trying to injure him or take him out of the game. He was trying to deliver a hard foul so West would feel it. You don’t just wander into the lane with your back turned. Everyone knows that “the paint” is all about establishing position.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 16, 2008 11:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Vicious? No

Asshole? Maybe.

But to answer your question, yes. It does make it ok. Everyone plays their role. Why is it that being a prick is accepted in the NHL, NFL, MLB and the Premier League (sorry, I’m a soccer fan), but in the NBA everyone gets up in arms about it?

I guess it was the beatings made me wise. But I'm not about to give thanks, or apologize.

by TheJeezus on May 16, 2008 11:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

P.S.

I have devoted an entire thread on my site today to irrational rage/rampant homerism, so feel free to take your rage there if you haven’t already. Ya know, just to keep the more objective places clean.

Rage Here

by ticktock6 on May 16, 2008 11:39 AM CDT   0 recs

The role is called the Enforcer

A player who physically enforces his will on others with strength and contact. Every contact team sport has one. Don’t you guys remember what basketball was like in the 1980’s? Players would get mugged and shanked under the hoop. The very same way hockey players get killed standing in front of the net. Was the Horry on West foul dirty? No. Was it a hard foul? Yes.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 16, 2008 11:44 AM CDT   0 recs

Reply to this and you wont have to say anything more to prove your point

from ATH:

Let me lay out what I think was wrong with the play. 1. Why the screen? (A) Ginobili was free. If anything, Horry could have been rolling for a layup. (B) West was way too far from being able to impact the play meanginfully.

2. That was not a "traditional" pick. You normally keep your hands low. Horry brought them up into West’s back.

3. Why did he try to hit West when West was already out of the play? Horry jumps into West, knowing full well that West is too far.

by mattmc89 on May 16, 2008 11:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Watch the clip several times in slow motion

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3398672&categoryId=2378529

1. If you watch the clip again, you will see that Horry doesn’t know who’s behind him. He assumes that if he sets this pick, Manu can blow by West. So what does Horry do? He step into West to 1. Establish position. 2. Block out West out for a possible rebound attempt. Of course because he stepped up too far the result is an offensive foul.

2. Anytime a player has his back to the basket, you are taught to put a forearm in their back. It’s a way to control the player. I see the same action here except Horry uses both arms (which is why the foul is called). West’s is entering into the lane with his back turned and Horry is trying to gain position on a younger and more athletic athlete.

3. He is establishing himself. Again… for either a screen or to box west out from a rebound attempt.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 16, 2008 11:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i'll argue just for arguments sake

when is a forearm to the back an acceptable technique for positioning? maybe if bruce bowen had his way. it is my understanding, and i am no nba official, that you are suposed to use your legs, ass and the core of your body to jockey for position and that forearms are only acceptable if the post player has the ball. and this seems to back that up http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_12.html?nav=ArticleList .

by in the 9th on May 16, 2008 1:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

lol not everything in the nba is “up to code”. When was the last time you’ve seen a moving screen called. It’s called once in a blue moon and they happen all of the time. And I would like to add that I miss spoke. I did not mean to say “you put a forearm IN their back.” It’s hard to describe but watch how this is done when a post player has his back to the basket and calls for the ball. The defender is already set with his arm in position.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 16, 2008 2:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

west was the defender in this situation. he wouldnt have been posting horry up calling for the ball on defense? how is a commonplace tactic, albeit illegal, for defending the post releveant when it was an offensive foul? i could understand that argument if west was on offense, but he wasnt.

by in the 9th on May 16, 2008 3:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What makes this relevant is their positioning to the basket. Horry is on the inside. He is trying to set a screen and keep West from gaining a closer position to the basket. And honestly… if you have David West backing into you, can you really say that you’d keep your hands down by your side?

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 16, 2008 8:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who Are You People?

Listen, let’s get the guessing out of the picture. 1) I’m a Hornets fan. 2) I’m a Robert Horry fan. 3) I like how the Spurs play the game. Now, that said, I get you people who say a dirty hit is “old school” . I disagree. But that’s your opinion. However, if you can honestly say that he didn’t INTEND to do it, you’re either fracking blind or just plain stupid.

by m-W on May 16, 2008 9:04 PM CDT   0 recs

You're right.

He did INTEND to set a hard pick. What he didn’t INTEND to do was to send West to the locker room. It wasn’t a dirty play.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 16, 2008 10:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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