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Is This Blazers Thing Ever Going to End?

The Darius Miles saga seemed over with Memphis picking him up again... but now A-Woj of Yahoo! is reporting that Portland tried to pick him up before sending their now infamous e-mail.

Any way you slice it, my respect for their front office has to take a hit with this news. I know it was all for the "good" of the team... but they were willing to literally destroy the comeback attempt of a player, fighting his way back from what many called a career ending injury? Whether you think Miles coming back on the cap is fair or unfair, that's really, really low.

To clarify, I believe the problem lies with league rules, not the Blazers. True, medical releases are rarely given, including a number of circumstances where they seemed even more warranted. But the fact is, Portland obtained a doctor's note saying that Miles was medically unfit to play. (You can question how they obtained this confirmation, and why very few other teams have gotten "medical releases"... but that's a totally different issue). The league's stupidity comes through in the "10 game return" rule. Why have a 10 game window to return? Doesn't that imply that medical retirements may not be permanent? The way medical retirements are handled has to change. If I'm remembering correctly, Miles still wanted to play when he was deemed medically unfit. Perhaps a player consent component  would be needed.

But anyways, none of the above excuses the Blazers' actions. File a formal complaint with the league; don't try to end a valiant comeback attempt for your own purposes and then not tell anyone about it.

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Way to share the A-Woj story-love.

Hadn’t heard this yet. I can only shake my head at the Blazers. I mean, they’ve done a great

job building their current team. But their handling of the whole D-Miles thing is messed up.

by m-W on Jan 13, 2009 8:38 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's the rule that is messed up

The Blazers have played by the rules and are getting screwed for it. It was a league appointed doctor that signed off on his medical retirement. Now, the Blazers are the bad guys? Puh-leez…

by david1978pdx on Jan 13, 2009 10:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

…but that doesn’t excuse the email that was sent out to the other teams.

If a league appointed doctor signed off on the retirement, the Blazers should have taken their discrepancy up with the league instead. If the league shares the blame, then the Blazers would have a case against them.

http://www.hometownhornets.blogspot.com/

by hldomingue on Jan 13, 2009 11:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

P.S.

Darius Miles just logged minutes in game 9.

by m-W on Jan 13, 2009 8:54 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree for the most part :)

but a couple of things:
Firstly the League is a business first, its funny because players can say this and act accordingly (Kareem and Shaq know what I’m talking about… oh and even MJs guilty here)… but its not ok for a Front office to say and act like that too.
(real fast, where is the outcry against the Knicks? they are trying to do the same thing with Marbury in lots of way)
Secondly didn’t Miles have to sign the retirement papers? Couldn’t he have refused that? So by signing didn’t he agree with the diagnosis?
Now I agree with both sides, its an unfortunate affair but its also how a business is ran so I’m not shocked.

by SamGoody on Jan 13, 2009 9:11 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good points.

Especially on the Miles signing part, I’m convinced that this is where the NBA process is ridiculous. The moment he was deemed “medically unfit”, Miles pretty much lost the ability to play with the Blazers. Even if they wanted him to play, that would have been an ethical dilemma for the front office: play him and watch him suffer long term or don’t play him. He lost all trade value as soon as the doctor’s confirmation came in. So he had two options, even if he believed he could come back (which he clearly did): do the Blazers a favor and sign the papers, or be adamant and stick on the roster. In the second case, he’d definitely not play, probably not be allowed to practice, and possibly be bashed by the media for not going with the diagnosis and screwing over the Blazers. Given those things, I can see a plausible case where Miles signed the papers but didn’t necessarily agree with the diagnosis. Again, that’s neither an indictment of Miles nor the Blazers, but instead shows how ridiculous the NBA rule is.

by atthehive on Jan 13, 2009 11:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well put

The end is in the beginning and yet I go on....
-Beckett

by eyeotiger on Jan 13, 2009 11:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

blazer fan here

there is a huge lack of understanding of the extent of the Darius situation around the league, most seem to only know what has been spouted out by most media outlets over the past week and not what has happened over the past two years of this saga. Here is a quick summation of it (i didn’t write it, but it hits on the major points)

http://dariusfacts.blogspot.com/

The fact of the matter is, the blazers followed to a T what was best for the team AND what was best for Darius, now an obscure rule is coming to bite them in the ass and they are doing everything they can to avoid it, i promise you if this had happened to your team you would be as upset about it as we are. People are clammoring about how “unfair” the Blazers are being towards Darius, which is anything but the case. Right now the teams of the league see a way to screw over the up and coming Blazers and are doing everything in their power to make sure that they will be, and are hiding behind the “noble come back of Miles” to do it. end of story.

The end is in the beginning and yet I go on....
-Beckett

by eyeotiger on Jan 13, 2009 11:28 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting

Just read the linked article. Very helpful and full of stuff I didn’t know.

Before I read that I was taking the approach of “Well, if the Grizz need him, can afford him, and he’s available, why not?” but now things look a little different. Hard to know what to think in this gray area.

Nevertheless, I really don’t think the Grizz are doing this to screw the Blazers. Tons of teams need frontcourt depth (LIKE US! WE NEED HELP REALLY BADLY!), and if Darius was available and playing well, I can hardly fault them for passing him over.

http://www.hometownhornets.blogspot.com/

by hldomingue on Jan 13, 2009 11:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i agree with you completely

if Darius is willing to play with a very high risk of re-injury, which he obviously is, then I am all for it, when he was playing on all cylinders at Portland he was one of the funnest players I can ever remember watching. The fact of the matter is though, his playing doesn’t invalidate the reason for his medical retirement, more than anything this situation is bringing to light some pretty stupid rules on the leagues part. As it sits right now the Blazers are getting screwed over hard, and they are going to fight it in any way they can, painting them as evil for doing so isn’t taking into account all the facts

The end is in the beginning and yet I go on....
-Beckett

by eyeotiger on Jan 13, 2009 11:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trust me

I’ve read pretty much everything out there on Darius, including the great Blazers Edge coverage. As I wrote above, I agree for the most part that you guys have a case against the NBA (and are being screwed over). My overall point has nothing to do with that. I’m saying that the Blazers pursued their own well being at the expense of an NBA player instead of taking their case directly to the league… which strikes me as unethical.

And I think Memphis has a great many reasons to have Miles on the team, considering the current composition of their roster and current available free agent market. Just as Boston did to bring him in.

by atthehive on Jan 13, 2009 11:38 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

on a different note

anyone else looking forward to Tyson Vs Joel: Round 2 on Feb. 2nd?

The end is in the beginning and yet I go on....
-Beckett

by eyeotiger on Jan 13, 2009 11:53 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

I sure am. I might be the only Hornet fan that thinks this, but Joel is still one of my favorite guys in teh league… Ty/Jo II should be great.

The Vanilla Gorilla vs. The Ceiling Fan Repair Man!! OK, I should start working on the photoshop right now.

by atthehive on Jan 13, 2009 11:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha!

that is an excellent image!

I was actually at that game, I might be one of few blazer fans who really doesn’t think that altercation deserved an ejection, i think the refs tossed him to make sure a horde of rabbid fans didn’t run onto the court and tackle Tyson… the air was venomous to say the least.

The end is in the beginning and yet I go on....
-Beckett

by eyeotiger on Jan 14, 2009 12:02 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's my take on the whole thing

the Blazers are getting screwed by the rule. It’s oddly constructed.

The reason they went to sign Darius is because they knew that the league wouldn’t let them. By disallowing that move, the NBA judged Portland’s motives, and deemed them harmful to Darius.

This sets up a legal scenario where the Blazers can claim that the NBA has judged on motives against them. Stern and his cronies have, legally, assumed that the Blazers were acting in bad faith and the Grizzlies were acting in good faith. This won’t hold up in court.

Here’s the thing. The letter made no sense by itself. And the “attempt” to sign Darius makes no sense in a vacuum. But combine the two… and the Blazers are setting up an interesting legal case.

How can the NBA legislate the motives of teams? Portland can even use their injury problems at small forward as legal evidence that they wanted Miles.

The Vulcans, who run the Blazers, saw that the rule was going to screw them. To avoid that situation entirely, they made these two moves to set up a “bad-faith” court argument. As far as in the legal courts, this was a beautiful move.

by Cablinasian on Jan 14, 2009 1:43 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By the way

I’m almost positive that Miles had to sign off on the deal when he was medically retired. I may be wrong, but I remember him having to sign some stuff.

Great job being fair with the whole situation. You’ve gotten it more right than NBC, ESPN… the list goes on of media outlets failing to understand the whole mess.

by Cablinasian on Jan 14, 2009 1:45 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another reply...

but the “valiant comeback?” This is a guy who took two years and refused to rehab. Only when it got in his head that he could “stick it to the man,” as Jack Black would say, did he begin to work out and try to comeback. He was sitting as stationary as a beached whale after his microfracture… gained upwards of forty pounds.

by Cablinasian on Jan 14, 2009 1:49 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

one interesting sidenote

Had the league granted Portland’s request for waivers, then Darius would be getting a guaranteed paycheck for the rest of the season (of course he would never suit up).

But by denying the Blazer’s request for waivers, the NBA has potentially harmed Darius’ pocketbook this season. Worst case, Memphis lets him go after the first 10-day contract, and he doesn’t catch on anywhere else – he essentially loses about half a season’s pay.

Couldn’t Darius then sue the NBA for damages due to lost pay?

Just another bizarre unintended consequence of a hideously constructed obscure rule.

Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.

by douglast on Jan 14, 2009 2:36 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No.

Darius gets paid no matter what. Listen, here are the relevant facts. Darius wants to play. Darius is able to play. If Darius can and does play, his salary counts against the Blazers cap this year and next, pushing the Blazers over the luxury cap. Therefore, the Blazers do not want him to play. But if he is able to playthey cannot on good faith prevent him from playing. Darius is an adult and can judge on his own what risks he may undertake.

Darius put up I think 13 points in 12 Minutes last night. That’s why the Grizzlies want him. But even if it was “to screw” the Blazers, that makes sense. Ashas been pointed out, if the Blazers breach the luxury threshold, then the Grizzlies gets share of that tax. So why wouldn’t they do it? The rule is stupid, rarely used, and now we can see why. It induces an indicia of umreliability in cap management. The Blazers tried it knowing the risks and got burnt when it became obvious they didn’t deserve the exemption (if Darius plays one more second of ball, that is). I can’t fathom why anyone but a Blazer fan would have any empathy for Portland in this situation.

by m-W on Jan 14, 2009 12:55 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you assume the blazer intent

what if portland had decided that resigning miles was in their best interest. play him ourselves for two games or more. resulting in the cap space and salary being readded to the blazers. they end up with the same result but have the expiring contract to dump next season. miles gets to play and blazers dont get the loss of his contract. why would this be construed by the league as a ploy by blazer to get around the cba? seems to me this senerio has as much validity as any other a team would come up

by 2phattoplay on Jan 17, 2009 1:23 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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