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Game 37: Hive Five

Another 2-1 road trip. As ugly as losing at Utah and at Cleveland were, we've beaten the Lakers, the Blazers, the Mavericks, and the Pistons in January. Not bad.

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How far the great have fallen.

All game long, I only had one thought. And it had nothing to do with the Hornets. Specifically, what the hell has Detroit done to itself? What if they don't get a good FA in the summer? They've pretty much torpedoed a very, very good team for nothing if that happens. Obviously, they were never as good as Boston or Cleveland. But still... watching this new incarnation of the Pistons makes me sad. This is definitely the end of an era- an era in which two very good defensive teams in SA and DET had some great battles. It makes you wonder what the next era will look like. Boston's Big 3 is on the way down. It's questionable how much they'll factor in the next decade. Kobe Bryant probably has 3 or 4 high level seasons left in him, but he's already past his prime. Who are the next elite teams? Cleveland certainly looks like a lock to be one of them. That leaves possibly Utah, Portland, Orlando, and New Orleans to step up. Cleveland's the new Detroit, but who's the new San Antonio? I guess time will tell. Uh, some actual thoughts on the game after the jump.

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Let's start with the turnovers. One word: impressive. Chris Paul had 5 turnovers, the rest of the team had exactly one. That's totally crazy. On the flip side, Detroit finished with an equally impressive turnover total. Their ball control had a lot to do with Chris Paul failing to get a steal for the second straight game. The last time that happened was April 3rd-4th, 2007, when the Hornets posted back to back blowouts of the Milwaukee Bucks and Seattle Sonics.

The other impressive thing is the free throws. The first 10-20 games, I was really writing off our improved foul drawing as a fluke. Now, the evidence just keeps getting stronger and stronger. This team has legitimately improved over last year in terms of getting to the line. Tyson going 5-5 really helps. Between his 5-5 tonight and 6-6 earlier in the year, he's had some great foul shooting nights.

I saw that Niall noted on the 247 about the OREB difference, and whether we can pin that on laziness or poor coaching. Personally, I didn't feel like we got outworked that bad tonight. Detroit got a TON of "own-rebounds"- instances where a Piston would miss a 0 footer, get the ball right back, miss a 0 footer, and on and on. There's not much you can do about that. We were really aggressive in terms of blocking shots tonight, another thing that detracted from defensive rebounding. In general, I agree that the effort is lacking on the glass. Tonight, though, the numbers don't tell the whole story.

  • Tyson Chandler had 4 offensive rebounds. Over the past 5 games, he's quietly had 4, 8, 5, 4, and 4 OREB's. Don't look now, but he's rounding into shape. 
  • I was watching college highlights earlier in the day and saw that Michigan State retired Mo-Pete's jersey. The Pistons' station also showed the highlights- it definitely looked like an awesome moment. There were some cool clips of Mo tearing it up alongside Mateen Cleaves and Company. The 2000 State team won the NCAA title, with Peterson leading the squad in scoring, field goal percentage, and free throw percentage. MSU's legendary coach Tom Izzo was in tears on the sideline during the ceremony. Overall, it put into perspective not only how far Mo has come- rising from perhaps the most dangerous city in America (Flint, MI)- but also how great he is at basketball. Of course, fast forward to the game and to a third straight DNP-CD. The last 10 games or so, I was in a state where I didn't really care that Mo wasn't playing. It didn't sit well with me, but I was beyond caring. Now, I just feel sick. We're letting a great basketball player literally rot away on the bench. And not a single member of the organization seems to mind.
  • Rodney Stuckey is legitimately good. His 6-15 is certainly no indication of how good at basketball he is. He makes great decisions with the basketball. Above all, he rarely forces up shots and knows when to pass it off. I'm sure Detroit will try to make the most of their impending opportunity to build around him, either this summer or next.
  • How about that 9-0 run by the bench to start the fourth? Much of it was fueled by great defensive play- Hilton had a real nice rejection on a layup, and Daniels and Posey were wreaking havoc in the passing lanes. If the bench hadn't held down those first 5 minutes as well as they did, this game certainly would've been in question. The starters were coming off heavy minutes in Cleveland last night, and they needed every minute of rest in that fourth.
  • Antonio Daniels was flat out awesome tonight. He had as many assists off the bench as their starting point guard did (6). Except Rodney Stuckey played 40 minutes, and Daniels played 10. I'm hoping Daniels can start playing some more minutes in the near future. Since that awful game in Utah, he's had 14 assists and 1 turnover in his last five. Chris Paul nearly hit 40 minutes for the fourth straight game tonight! That's way, way too many minutes for him. As Daniels continues to emerge, I hope Byron Scott goes to him more often.

One last observation before I leave you, regarding mismatches. The last handful of games, we've been getting a metric ton of mismatches every game by running the pick and roll. Almost all of our opponents insist on switching the pick and roll and leaving a big on Paul and a small on West/Chandler. Yet we haven't really taken advantage of it too much. Why? Mismatches aren't inherently a positive. Mismatches are good when you take advantage of them. When Chris Paul is being guarded by Rasheed Wallace, he needs to drive the ball! Taking a fadeaway 20 footer accomplishes nothing. The shot isn't more likely to go in, just because he's being guarded by the "wrong" guy. A fadeaway 20 footer is a fadeaway 20 footer whether you're shooting over Stuckey or Wallace. Ditto for West. When he's guarded by Richard Hamilton, he needs to back him down or drop step into the paint. Falling away from 15, again, accomplishes nothing. We've been drawing mismatches left and right, but we utterly fail to exploit them. It's as if CP gets the switch on the S/R and then thinks to himself, "Oh cool, Sheed's got me. If I shoot an off balance shot jumper off my left foot while surfing the internet on my Black Berry, it's sure to go in. Cuz Sheed's got me. Duh." Blurgh.

Anyway, Hornets back at it on MLK Day vs. the Indy Grangers.

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Great points

I was thinking the same thing with the offensive rebounds and being outhustled. NO! They missed freaking 2 foot layups and the ball would repeatedly bounce off the rim right back at them and you call those rebounds? Whatever. That was mainly Tyson, David, and Hilton playing excellent defense in the paint. In fact, I loved our guys husle tonight mainly in the second half. When Peja and Tyson collided for the rebound eventually causing the ball to go out of bounds on the Piston’s first play out of half is the type of mistake you wanna see. Two guys hustling for a rebound. Of course you wanna see one guy corral the ball but so be it. Also, I noticed the Hornets are playing more like last year foul wise. We’re definitely not fouling as much right now and it’s keeping us in games more even with the lack of energy. How bout Tyson having 0, yes ZERO fouls in the game. Thats great defense with a lack of fouling. We have 24 wins now with basically 19-20 of the coming when we had 4 players playing effectively on the court (CP3, D-West, Butler, and Posey). Peja and Tyson were yet to be found. But as they keep playing in more consecutive games they’re both playing close to last years form. If they keep playing like this and our energy level raises to the level we were at last year, then WATCH OUT Western Conference.

Devin Brown is a basketball God!

by chandlerfan6 on Jan 18, 2009 6:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nice observations

Thing that I see is that we don’t have any offensive threats other than Paul and West. I can see how we are trying to get Peja involved but he’s been awful. All he is now is a spot up shooter. I believe we need to get guys like Mo Pete and JuJu back in the game. Mo is ageing, yes, but he can not only shot it but create a little big to and get to the line. I can remember last year when we went to our bench we got guys like Pargo, JuJu and others and we were great because they brought energy. Over the past few games our bench has been good yes. But when they get in an offensive funk it’s usually because they aren’t running that much.

by Grayson on Jan 18, 2009 6:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

If Byron is not playing Marks, Brown, or even Butler (who is actually doing awesome) to shop them, and not playing Julian so no one asks Bower about him. Wishful thinking, but for whatever the reason be I’d like to see some more of Julian an Mo soon.

by m-W on Jan 18, 2009 9:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Detroit

Yeah – they definitely gave up on their Billups led team. I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s a bad thing though. The old group wasn’t going to win another championship so you might as well start retooling. That meant creating cap space and by getting Iverson that did just that. Also, I think Dumars/rest of management is quite happy. Their team still looks to be on pace for another playoffs, they found out Stuckey is their long term PG and they’ll be competitive for a young big in a few years – Bosh, Amare, or some other guys that will give them a chance for another championship run w/o having major off years.

I'm no commie, but the Reds shall be the best again!

by RedHopeful on Jan 18, 2009 10:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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