Marc Stein: "Our own @ricbucher reports that the Hornets are adding head coach to GM Jeff Bower's duties and bringing in Tim Floyd to be top assistant"
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Tim Floyd?
Okay at least he has coaching experience……….I hate the way this is going now…
COME ON MAN……………..
by Saintsfan4life on Nov 12, 2009 1:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I like the Floyd hire actually
Should have a post about it soon.
by atthehive on Nov 12, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent defensive coach
Obviously the way he went out…. is, um, sketchy.
But I really think he can make us a stout defensive team.
by atthehive on Nov 12, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bad move
going the cheap route. Bowers!?! I smell McHale 2.0 – prove your roster or you’re gone next. Unfortunately, we now might lose prized possession CP3 to go along with hard earned fans.
At least if they had gone after Avery, it would have given credibility. Tim Floyd? Disgraced in the NCAA? No thanks.
I'm no commie, but the Reds shall be the best again!
by RedHopeful on Nov 12, 2009 1:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Avery is way too controlling.
Would never have worked with CP. People only name him b/c he’s from here. I like attthehive’s other suggestions, Sam Mitchell and JVG.
by m-W on Nov 12, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
JVG would be a fantastic choice.
I'm no commie, but the Reds shall be the best again!
by RedHopeful on Nov 12, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Woah
I didnt expect this so soon. It seemed like it was going to happen… but woah.
But I’m fine with all this.
by Caleb462 on Nov 12, 2009 1:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good Move Firing Scott
Not sold on going the McHale route as the alternative, although I’d rather have a fired Scott & an interim Bower followed by a new, capable head coach over another year of Scott’s bullheadedness and inability to make even the most rudimentary in-game adjustments. Avery has a very good reputation because of his charisma, but for this group of players I think Sam Mitchell would be the best coach we could hire for the long-term.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Nov 12, 2009 1:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Van Gundy?
First of all, I don’t want ANYONE taking away the best in game commentary out there. Van Gundy is, who knew, funny as well as articulate and savvy.
But for New Orleans? With Chris Paul? Ha!
You think Byron Scott drove you crazy? Just wait.
If the Red Nation apparatchiks start talking about a Five Year Plan, I'm out of here.
by Xiane on Nov 12, 2009 1:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Van Gundy's teams have the strange disction of not playing any offense, lol
Which would be weird with a guy like CP.
I doubt Van Gundy leaves the booth though.
I think Sam Mitchell is the best available guy.
by Caleb462 on Nov 12, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
More than anything, I’m just frustrated with this team’s total lack of defense right now I guess.
With the Bower/Floyd hiring, it looks like that will be our coaching for the rest of this year.
by atthehive on Nov 12, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm stealing that
for my next post, hehe
by atthehive on Nov 12, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Van Gundy team defense is awe inspiring.
As is his offense. For entirely different reasons.
I don’t get it though. If your team gives up on Scott, ok, fire him. But management thinks they’re going to play better for the GM and a sketchy college coach who met with…limited…sucess in the NBA?
Did Scott run over the owners dog? 3-6 isn’t the end of the world, it’s barely 10% of the season.
If the Red Nation apparatchiks start talking about a Five Year Plan, I'm out of here.
by Xiane on Nov 12, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its not just the losing, I dont think...
its the way this team has been losing going back to last April. The team has been scraping by bad teams and getting blown out of the building by good teams since the end of last season. When the team struggles to not let good teams go up by 20, 25, even 30… something is seriously wrong.
The way the team played at the end of last season and in the Denver series has carried over, and to me that suggests that the blame goes on more than just a thin roster. Not to mention that Shinn issued a mandate about developing young players, and Byron has shown reluctance to do that.
Whether or not this is a good move in the long run, I don’t know… but my gut feeling is yes. We’ll just have to wait and see. Bower and Floyd is just a stopgap… but maybe they can have some success.
by Caleb462 on Nov 12, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think CP is the key piece.
The man just doesn’t like losing. And soon enough, just like Kobe and Lebron, that is going to be enough. To win, at least.
And if a new coach can really make this team reach it’s potential, so much the better.
by m-W on Nov 12, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
The fact is, as long as Chris Paul is on this team, then this team has a future. Its simple as that.
by Caleb462 on Nov 12, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And like mW mentioned in the other thread
A player as prominent as Dwyane Wade has ridden out a terrible year without publically bashing the team. So it’s not like CP is suddenly going to drive the team apart just because they’re losing.
by atthehive on Nov 12, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense to me
And you guys would certainly know better than I.
Maybe the problem is Chris Paul? We could take him off your hands for a very modest fee. Think how happy you’d be without the uncertainty of occasionally wondering whether he’s the best PG in the league or not. We could give you peace of mind.
If the Red Nation apparatchiks start talking about a Five Year Plan, I'm out of here.
by Xiane on Nov 12, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uncertainty?
We are all 100% certain about that buddy.
by Caleb462 on Nov 12, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Surely you find his gaudy stats a trifle gauche?
We could assure of you modest, seemly, PG stats.
If the Red Nation apparatchiks start talking about a Five Year Plan, I'm out of here.
by Xiane on Nov 12, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Very funny
rec.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 12, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nail on the head!!
Dam your good.
sorry to hear about the termoil, hope they get ya’ll straightend out soon.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Nov 12, 2009 2:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why is Jeff Bower taking the head man duties?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 3:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My take:
Tim Floyd will do much of the coaching, the team just doesn’t want to make it that official with all of his recent baggage. I simply don’t see Bower calling the plays and running the team the way a normal HC would.
Corroborating that is Bower was an assistant HC under Floyd in 2003. I suspect it will be similar.
by atthehive on Nov 12, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what kind of offense does Floyd run?
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by Cablinasian on Nov 12, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
from google, looks like he’s a Princeton guy. Interesting.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 12, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He ran the triangle in Chicago
I think Floyd is being asked to run the same offense and just play the younger players more.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And besides
I watched a team that employed Pete Carril for many years. The Kings never ran the Princeton. They ran Adelman’s offense then, and are running PW’s offense now. Every NBA team features hard back cuts as is.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well a wrinkle here or there then
You watch the Hornets more than I have.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's one of the things that's disgusted us Hornets fans
Scott has gotten so much credit for running a Princeton, with all its inside out cuts. But for most of the last two years, it’s just been a really uncreative P&R, P&R, P&R rinse and repeat with no motion by any other players.
by atthehive on Nov 12, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
remember trying to run the same pick and rolls with Hilton when Tyson was hurt last year? That was great.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 12, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hilton Armstrong can attempt to be part of a P&R?
Nice.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
did Byron run an offense? Interesting.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 12, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I remember of 2003 (been a while now)
It was heavily isolation based for Davis and Mashburn (when health).
For USC, it was primarily drive-motion, almost exclusively out of the half court though. So I think more Princeton elements than Scott.
by atthehive on Nov 12, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This whole thing makes no sense
If Floyd is going to run the team with Scott’s assistants still on staff, exactly how is that going to work with Bower being the “official” head coach? Only the Hornets.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to say this
But the fans of the Hornets would have been a lot better off if the Hornets had stayed in OKC and Shinn had sold to Bennett’s ownership group.
(I admit I hate Gil McGregor, and George Shinn is a crappy owner, but other than that I got nothing against the Hornets.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually, Aubrey McClendon lost the majority of his personal fortune and he was the moneybags behind Bennett’s blocky headpiece. That’s not a good situation.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 12, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know Cab
The other guy, Ward or whatever his name was, was also part of the group as well.
But I agree that every ownership group is not perfect. Very few ownereship groups that can’t afford to lose money for the long term are.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the Ballmer group is darn good… they better get a team to help Seattle and get rid of this freaking Blazer blackout.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 12, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL That irritates me because I'm blacked out of every game
And I hate having to find streams.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A nice Bedger gave me access to his slingbox. So I can watch the games live without hassle, but I want archives.. ya know?
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by Cablinasian on Nov 12, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I know
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We would have been better off without a team?
Uh, no.
by Caleb462 on Nov 12, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not arguing the fans in New Orleans disagree
I don’t blame them/you one bit.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
“But the fans of the Hornets would have been a lot better off if the Hornets had stayed in OKC and Shinn had sold to Bennett’s ownership group.”
So, without a team. Yeah, those 3 nights a week I go to NBA basketball for fun just suck. You know, you’re right. I was just WAITING for an opportunity to cut them out of my life. I could get another hobby! Wait, I wouldn’t run a Hornets blog anymore.
… omg I could get two hobbies… OK, I’ll stop, I’ll stop
http://hornetshype.com
by ticktock6 on Nov 12, 2009 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew that statement was a lose-lose statement
Yet made it anyway. As I said just above your comment tick, I know Hornets fans who want the Hornets in New Orleans disagree. And, I don’t blame you.
At this point, I think it would be interesting to see the Hornets operate without George Shinn as owner. If any ownership group can make New Orleans work, by all means do so. I’m a Kings fan; there are plenty of people who have said the market in Sacramento would never work. 25 years later, they might be right after the California state gov’t, the biggest employer, happened to collapse and a minimum of 25% of income was lost to those workers.
I’ve always felt that the biggest reason for the Hornets staying was to make a political point that the NBA can help rebuild cities. That isn’t really a reason to lose a NBA team no question. On the other hand, it also isn’t a reason to keep a NBA team. I think it’s a crappy way to make a political point.
All I know for 100% is that George Shinn owning a NBA franchise, in New Orleans or anywhere, is a losing proposition. And, I hope for the Hornets fans who’ve always wanted the team to stay in New Orleans get their wish.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that you have elaborated
I don’t disagree with you. I know Shinn clings to this franchise, but he does have a local investor who owns 25%. And has a huge business other than basketball— something to do with oil rigs, someone feel free to jump in, I forget what Chouest does!— as opposed to Shinn who (I believe) is the only owner in the NBA who is not wealthy elsewhere in the business world. I would like nothing more than for more local investors to get involved and make a push to get greater shares and get the team to stay here. I know this sounds horribly disloyal, because Shinn brought basketball to NO, he loves having the team, and he just got diagnosed with cancer. But. I’m not sure he has the resources to put the team I dream of seeing onto the floor. In New Orleans.
http://hornetshype.com
by ticktock6 on Nov 12, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well hopefully ath
Chris Paul will get along far better with Floyd than Baron Davis did.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to be offensive in your house ath
But I think any franchise owned by George Shinn is screwed.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
cold, pookey, cold.
WELL GUESS WHAT TYREKE ISNT A POINT GUARD. THERE. I SAID IT.
;)
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by Cablinasian on Nov 12, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Got me there Cab :)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of, here’s a fun article about Floyd first coming to New Orleans.
“Coach is letting me do my thing,” says Davis, who was averaging 25.2 points and 8.1 assists at week’s end. “I’ve got a lot more freedom and”—he smiles—"freedom’s a good thing, man."
<a href=“http://”Coach is letting me do my thing," says Davis, who was averaging 25.2 points and 8.1 assists at week’s end. “I’ve got a lot more freedom and”—he smiles—"freedom’s a good thing, man." 1" target="new">link
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by Cablinasian on Nov 12, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"
“Pleased with the results, Floyd installed the offense with the Hornets, creating a high-scoring run-and-dish motion game”
That’s weird, I don’t remember this at all. 89.1 poss/game that year…. hmm. Maybe it started that way and fizzled? I wish League Pass archives went to previous seasons..
by atthehive on Nov 12, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If only the season finished as well as the year started eh?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Things will get way worse with Bower!
rip nicky a!
by Static Shock on Nov 12, 2009 3:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
2008 Coach of the year...what happened?
funny how a coach get blamed for a team not playing well.. 1 1/2 yr ago he just received his Coach of the year award. everything in New orleans were high on him…the expectations went up. The management didn’t make necessary upgrade, instead ,made cost cutting moves. They let go of Pargo a yr ago,signed Posey (w/c was overrated), traded Butler who was their only consistent 3 pt shooter to d clips FOR NOTHING, traded Chandler for Okafor who is no better than him…what else…well now the GM wants to be the coach. that’s funny.
I don’t think he’ll do better than Scott.
by ed2U on Nov 12, 2009 6:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would be sorta wary
Of calling Rasual Butler consistent. I mean, he was great last year. But.
http://hornetshype.com
by ticktock6 on Nov 12, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Chandler was about to be let away for nothing (see the failed trade with OKC). So to get even close to equal is a steal. As for Butler, either he or Mo had to go. They’re basically the same player, with the same annoying need to start to be useful. The salaries just didn’t work with both, and one in streetclothes. As it was, Butler was easier to move. So be it. If you look at it from a financial standpoint, that was a great move too. Anyone who understands the business side of the sport gets that. Less luxury tax saves a dollar-per-dollar, and that’s more money we can use in the future to go after people.
by m-W on Nov 12, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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