The Prospect of Losing Emeka Okafor
Thanks to Ziller for breaking it here on At the Hive, below.
According to Sam Amick: "A source with knowledge of the situation says the Kings are discussing a trade with New Orleans that would send Kenny Thomas to the Hornets and bring center Emeka Okafor to Sacramento. No deal is imminent and this is merely a discussion between the two sides at this point."
Here's the salary situation, via Sactown Royalty, via ShamSports:
| Player | '09-10 | '10-11 | '11-12 | '12-13 | '13-14 |
| Thomas | $8.7M | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Okafor | $10.8M | $11.8M | $12.8M | $13.8M | $14.8M* |
First of all, this isn't a surefire deal for Sacramento. On their end, they have to question Okafor's health a little bit, the length of the contract, the overall money, and Okafor's eventual ceiling (which he's, almost beyond a shadow of a doubt reached). They have to worry about the development of younger guys in Spencer Hawes and Jason Thompson with Okafor around. And finally, they have to wonder whether a nearly 9 million expiring can get them something more useful.
From New Orleans perspective? It's basically a straight salary dump, the likes of which the league doesn't see very often. The Hornets slash about 46 million off guaranteed salaries over the next four years. Kenny Thomas hasn't played competitively for multiple seasons now. The sale of Okafor would likely force Hilton Armstrong or Sean Marks into a starting role, effectively ending the Hornets' season.
What does this trade discussion say about the Hornets? Well, three different options, off the top of my head.
(a) Money Problems
The team is in dire straits, financially. After the recovery of the last two years, in terms of fan attendance and general marketability, I would have deemed this unlikely as recently as two weeks ago. Now? I'm not so sure. The team is paying the luxury tax right now and is scheduled to do so next year, without adding any new money to the payroll. Not only would the addition of Thomas save more than 2 million this year, it puts Shinn off the Okafor hook for four more years. The Hornets can simply add minimum contracts to fill out the front court over the offseason and save tons and tons of money.
The more this team struggles this year, the more attendance is going to drop off. It's a simple fact of life. In the short term, there are no signs of a turnaround. Shinn could have gone all-in during the offseason, opting to trade Chandler for a player of similar contract value. Early on in the season, he has a quick option here to opt out of his initial decision. So this trade could very easily be financially motivated.
(b) Chris Paul
Chris Paul's injury is worse than has been left on. The current estimate is that he'll be out two weeks at least. If that number escalates into the months, then this season is pretty much over. If the team has any reason to believe that Paul won't return until December/January, they won't trust the 3-10 Hornets to recover to a playoff spot.
In that case, Okafor vs. Thomas in 2009-2010 doesn't really matter much. Sure, Thomas will contribute far, far less, but for a team missing the playoffs, what does it matter?
This second option would obviously be linked with financial motivations. George Shinn could go ahead and save 2 million dollars (4 million with the tax) if he feels that the team won't make the playoffs anyways. And ostensibly, the team would stand to pick up a higher draft selection with Thomas, rather than Okafor.
(c) Strategy
I guess this could be an option; that an Okafor for Thomas swap could be executed completely strategically, with no financial impetus whatsoever.
What are the strategic gains, one might wonder. The major one is roster flexibility. With this swap, the Hornets go from committing 71.8 million next year, down to 59 million dollars. But I question the logic here.
Next year's salary cap is projected to be in the 53 million dollar range, with the luxury at around 65. So while the team gets away from the luxury tax, they'd still be unable to add free agents without the use of the exceptions (midlevel, biannual, veteran's). Essentially, they'd be trying to nab a free agent center at a discount or attempting to draft a quality rookie. The 2010 draft class will be better than this year's, in my estimation. But both those things are obviously risky propositions.
If the Okafor move is made strategically, it must be part of a larger fire-sale strategy for the Hornets to get under the salary cap (and thus make a run at a bigger free agent). Overall, there are just far too many ways this can backfire. One or two slip-ups, the Hornets have another horrible year next year, and the following season could be Chris Paul's last in New Orleans (he can choose to leave in the 2012 offseason).
Overall
There is something to be said for building a team through smart drafting. It's definitely the best way to create a stable, long-term franchise plan, something any team in New Orleans desperately needs. In this case, though? The sale of Okafor for Thomas would indicate severe financial issues more than strategic foresight. Could it work? Absolutely. If Paul is going to miss serious time, the Hornets could seriously free themselves financially (especially in the 2011 offseason) and pick up some sharp rookies.
But you're going to have a hard time convincing me the Hornets' hand wasn't forced if this deal goes through.
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What more can I say.
But, I really, really, hope this rumor has no basis. If I was the Hornets, I would immediately, and publicly discount it, because, even if it is true, the perception that the team is packing it isn’t going to help fill seats.
To the contrary, they should be saying, even if Chris is out 2 months, that they have faith in their team circling the wagons, that Collison and Thornton are the rookies of the year, what every smoke it takes to spin it right.
And if the Hornets aren’t willing to do that, well, I could free myself up to run their public relations department.
Interesting take ATH
I agree with you that Chris Paul’s injury is worse than the Hornets letting on. I didn’t know Paul had a sprained ankle (I really didn’t care to be honest), but that makes sense why the Hornets would dump Okafor.
Paying the luxury tax is costly, and the Hornets, let’s take away George Shinn here, probably shouldn’t be doing that just to keep Okafor. Especially since you have 20 million in expiring contracts to do the same thing.
By dumping Okafor’s long term contract now, getting a high draft pick that could keep the team competitive (especially if Chris Paul is shut down until he’s completely 100% healthy), by using a combination of Stojakovic’s, Posey and Peterson’s contracts, that could be the real way to rebuild this team.
Either way I think the hold up will be on Geoff Petrie/the Maloof’s end from a basketball/financial perspective that will keep this deal from happening. It sucks for Hornets PR, but it’s the right move to do if you can find a way to keep this team competitive by moving the other contracts for solid/great pieces around Chris Paul.
Risky? Yeah. Keeping Okafor I think would have been a bigger risk for New Orleans.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Hmm
I see it as: if they keep Okafor, there’s less of a chance of total capitulation. Center is at least locked down, if only slightly above average. If thye keep Okafor, there’s not much chance for growth, and essentially none until the 2011 offseason.
If they trade Okafor, the team will have to either rely on a rookie to step in as a starting C or a discounted FA C in the 5-10 million range max to start. One of the keys to the Hornets’ defense of the Scott era has been an emphasis on collapsing the post at the expense of allowing the jumpshot. With Chandler, it was an effective strategy. With a defensive downgrade at C, we’re seeing the negative results, and Okafor really isn’t that bad a defensive center. The Hornets simply can’t play the same style of D with a worse option there, let alone a rookie. There’s no doubt that getting rid of Okafor provides far more room for growth. I just see the flip side of it and see it provides much more room for total capitulation… something that the Hornets simply can’t afford for back-to-back years with Chris Paul potentially gone in one more summer after that.
Either way, I think you’re right about it from the Kings’ financial perspective. Just talked to a guy I know, and he said pretty much the same thing- the Kings are reluctant to pick up a contract of Okafor’s length without securing additional revenue streams at this point.
Either way, I think you’re right about it from the Kings’ financial perspective. Just talked to a guy I know, and he said pretty much the same thing- the Kings are reluctant to pick up a contract of Okafor’s length without securing additional revenue streams at this point.
I hope that source isn’t John Reid, and even if it is, it’s not hard to figure out why the Kings wouldn’t do this deal. It’s about money, and the Kings don’t have a lot of it to throw towards a guy who isn’t an All-Star, who would become the highest paid player on the Kings roster, for the next 4 years.
It especially doesn’t take much to figure out that the Kings are struggling in the box office (they have the 2nd lowest paid attendance in the NBA), and that a good portion of the revenue comes from ticket sales, and in house purchases. There is no way Emeka Okafor by himself will pack Arco every night either.
I’m curious if there are any other teams willing to do this deal.
This has a lot of Kings fans buzzing though already. The Maloof’s just don’t have a lot of money to throw around to make this deal work so that it doesn’t sink the team on the back end.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I wasn't pointing fingers man
I’m sure you have sources outside the team and the paper. I was just saying it doesn’t take a genius to figure out how the Kings have made money in the past.
They make it off ticket sales, parking sales, apparel, and in house selling of food & drink & what not. The Maloof’s have always approached the Kings as a business, and that’s how they’ve made their money.
In the end, I think this deal probably won’t go through because there is little guarantee of Okafor improving as a player, and the financial risk is so high for what he does. Because of that, you will also have ripple effects in how you pay Jason Thompson at some point (do you not pay him as much or get stingy with any extension?).
This has a lot of bad negative long term effects attached to it, and my gut says that despite the juice that it could give the Kings this season, and possibly next, it may not be the type of long term move the Kings are looking for.
Of course, I would have also told you on June 24th that the Kings shouldn’t take Tyreke Evans because he is a 2 guard. I think a lot of the deal will remain how the Kings move additional salary (like Nocioni) before next season to make it more palatable to keep Okafor.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
But a high draft pick is hardly guarenteed to keep the team competitive
You never know what spot you’re going to land, and even the highest spots aren’t always surefire guarentees. I don’t know… Okafor is a solid contributing center in the NBA, and there really aren’t very many of those.
I’d really like to see the team find other ways to build this team back to where it should be. I know that’s easier said than done, and frankly I don’t have much faith in the front office right now, because they’ve basically failed and failed miserably since the Hornets great playoff run. But that’s probably just as good a reason to not see this deal done. If the Hornets can stay semi-competetive while waiting out the contracts of Peja and Mo Pete… they’ll have cap room to sign a good free agent to help CP in the summer of 2011.
Wow, this is just… kinda scary. 56 wins and talk of championship contention, 49 wins… and all the sudden “rebuilding.” Some shrewd moves in the summer of 2008 really could have kept this from happening – quite possibly at least. The Posey signing looks more and more like a total disaster every day.
Coming from a Hawks fan...
Emeka seriously has a toxic contract. No offense but you are not a championship caliber team, and the only reason to be paying a player like Okafor that much money for that many years is if you think you can win a championship this year. If I was a Hornets fan, I would get on my knees and pray that they make that trade.
After that, You can trade Peja’s contract for some good talent, or wait till the next summer to sign some free agents and make sure your good enough to convince CP3 to stay. It’s not like there aren’t plenty of players that wouldn’t love to play with Chris Paul and live in New Orleans. You could be a championship contender in two years, or even next year, but you probably need to come around to the face that the best thing to look forward to this year is probably a high draft pick.
I know it’s harsh, but when you have a point as good as CP# there is light at the end of the tunnel, as long as your front-office isn’t short-sighted enough to try to win the battle of the media over the battle for New Orleans.
And best of luck tonight guys.
Interesting take...
Maybe you are right. You don’t think there’s any value in having an above average player at the thinnest position in the NBA locked up though? Well, maybe not. I’ve got pretty mixed feelings right now.
there's definatley value in it.
But not at that price tag, and not with the salary cap dwindling like it is. New Orleans is a small market team, so playing the cap is almost as important as how you play on the court, if that makes any sense.
Sacramento is a smaller market than New Orleans too
Even though the Kings have some of the Bay Area as their market because the Warriors are an annual disgrace.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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Sac fan here: is Okafor merely an above-average center? Does he bring it every night? Or is his a “soft” 10-10-2?
And by soft,
I mean an Olden Polynice double-double.
I wouldn't say so
His first five games at least, he was very aggressive and physical on the glass and on D. Last night against Portland, it seemed like he had an off game in terms of “bringing it.”
From what I’ve seen though, I’ve been thoroughly impressed. He bodies up well, and he has above average finesse/back-to-basket game.
he watched Oden and Aldridge fly by. It was ridiculous.
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 15, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
This Hornets team is not exactly high end
Not really an excuse or anything, but it’s tough to play your heart out when you now you’re going to lose most nights.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Does not compute...DOES NOT COMPUTE
Where’s the damn reset button?
I'm no commie, but the Reds shall be the best again!
Is a West-Okafor-Paul trio going to win a title? It’s certainly not looking that way.
Do what Miami did. Get rid of contracts and focus on cap space. It’s very easy to get a free agent to sign with Chris Paul.
Rebuild with West, Paul, a lottery pick, and a player from the cap space created from Okafor and Peja.
Obviously contingent on the cap going up again at some point.
free bayless
Okefer is a bum.
Let’s see I’ve got a guy with a career avg. of 13/10 that I.m spending Labron money on. I wonder what my motivation for getting some sucker team like the kings to take his rediculously bloated long term contract could be. Oh I don’t know, getting rid of the most overpaid player in the nba maybe. Would you pay Chris Kaman 14 million dollars a year? No? But you’ll give that kind of money to a guy who isn’t as good as Kaman. With all do respect, if you can’t see the folly in bailing New Orleans out of their stupidity than you are an idiot. This trade will make the kenny tomas trade and sharrif signing look like sound decisions. Don’t believe me? Look at Omeka’s career stats. He’s already over the hill avg. 10ppg and 9rpg this season and frankly his numbers have gotten worse every year since his rookie year when he avg. 15/10. I can’t even write anymore. The only thing I can hope is that sam amick has this as wrong as he usually has everything. STUPID STUPID STUPID!!!!!!!
yawn...
quit posting the same crap everywhere.
...and that's a good thing
by In Walks Rudy on Nov 17, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
revamped roster strategy
Okefer is, indeed, a bum. He is not a good defender and barely contributes to cleaning up the boards. He looks smaller than other centers….more like a big powerforward.
Hilton Armstrong has got to go. He’s terrible. He looks retarded and doesn’t even pay attention in the huddle.
Juju isn’t panning out. Byron Scott screwed that guy up so badly that he is never going to really get to where he should’ve.
Peja = terrible
I don’t have a lot against Bobby Brown. He’s a backup.
I would like to see Thornton and Collison get in there!
West, Paul, Thornton + _ is a team that can win. Keeping the rest of these guys on the roster is a waste of money and time.
Trade
I am new here but i have been reading for a while now.
I dont know if we are going to make it to the playoffs after all this
Hornets dont have a coach, chris paul is injured, Rando opened Chirs’s eyes by telling him he will never win a championship and might cause Chris to leave to a contender team if we dont become top contenders.
I think the okafor trade would help not this season but next season
because by dumpin his salary and trading a player like peja who is getting old who is gettin payed more than chris like about 15 million. By getting rid of them we would get a good draft pick mybe trade peja for somebody in the nets and a 2010 first round pick and we could get two good first round picks
and with the free money sign talent because thats when dwayne wade, carmelo, lebron, or chris bosh become free agents any one of them would help the Hornets out to become top contenders and also offer Tyson Chandler a low about 8 million contract and hope he would take it.
If all this would happen Hornets would be contending agianst the Lakers and Celtics.
Not much of a choice here.
I think we’ll have to trade Okafor at least before next season’s trade deadline. One player we can’t trade is David West. He and Chris Paul are the core of this team, and even though I’ve said to trade DWest before, I’ve realized it’s a bad idea if we plan to keep Paul after his contract is up. So I say we get rid of Okafor sooner rather than later and dump Peja, Posey, and Peterson along with him. That leaves a lot of cap space left while we really and truly don’t lose much production we can’t replace. That way because we still have 2 all stars going into next season and maybe a good coach like JVG, free agents like Michael Redd, Tyrus Thomas, Rudy Gay, Tyson Chadler, and Chris Bosh might take a look our way. Just before any moves are made, the front office has got to talk to Chris Paul and David West. Those guys are the team.
Why not us? http://hornetshoops.blogspot.com/
News
From Sam Amick’s twitter (the guy with the Sacramento Bee that initially reported the Okafor-Thomas negotiations):
Not expecting the Okafor-Thomas discussions to go anywhere. Sounds like more Kings-Hornets ideas thrown around beyond that one. #nbakings

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