Game 79: Hive Five
The sad part about this loss is you can't solely rely on the cookie cutter "if only we had Chandler..." explanation. It is true that the Tyson injury hurt us, yet the bottom line is we came in with an abysmal game plan, and we got what we deserved. The Hornets didn't attack the rim against Phoenix. They lost. The Hornets didn't attack the rim against Dallas. They lost. It's as simple as that. From the very beginning, our offensive strategy was very clear: set (weak) screens and shoot 18 footers.
It's tough to imagine a less creative gameplan for an offense that has Chris Paul and David West at its disposal. But leave that aside for a moment.
I noticed something today that I'm stunned I hadn't noticed before. The gameplan hasn't changed one, single, tiny iota since Tyson Chandler left the lineup. We run the exact same plays with guys "pretending" to be Chandler. Hilton tries and fails miserably to set the same screens, Melvin Ely tries and fails miserably to roll hard to the hoop. I can't even begin to describe how stupid this is. I mean, I've been seeing it happen for weeks; it just never fully registered in my brain. Byron Scott has not even attempted to alter his game strategy for Tyson's loss. He's refused to come up with new plays, even though it's painfully obvious that Ely and Armstrong are no Chandler.
In fact, we even play defense the same way! Instead of Chandler waiting to block a shot though, it's Hilton providing the defender with a three point play. With Chandler, the Hornets' defensive strategy was to funnel penetration towards the big. Without Chandler, the Hornets' defensive strategy should be to meet penetration earlier in the drive using the forwards. It's extroardinarily basic basketball. Yet nothing has changed. Nobody is arguing that Byron has a ton of great talent that he's squandering away. Armstrong and Co. are unequivocally bad at basketball. The fact that Byron Scott can and does do nothing- NOTHING!- to mitigate the damage is depressing.
In some good news, it was great to see Tyson Chandler pumped up on the bench. His target return date is Monday vs. the Rockets. If Tyson can return at a 80%-90% level, I still like this team's chances. As poor as Byron's coaching has been, Tyson's defense covers up a lot of mistakes on the offensive and defensive side of the ball. He makes Chris Paul a much better player on both sides of the floor. He improves David West's game by letting him concentrate on scoring instead of rebounding. In short, he makes this team a lot better. Good enough to beat the Lakers? Maybe. Good enough to beat any other team in the conference? I sure think so.
Butler has been in a serious slump as of late. I'm not sure what we can attribute it to. Anecdotally, it seems his "pump fake, then step in" move has grown more and more prevalent. Perhaps that is something the coaching staff can address, or perhaps it's purely an anecdotal phenomenon that has no real relevance. Either way, his offense will be crucial, alongside Peja's, given the disappearance of Mo Pete.
Bullet Time:
- Peja's playing good ball. I didn't expect him to return to form this quickly, but I'll take it. He made a couple nifty moves off the dribble on Antoine Wright. Though his final line doesn't look too impressive, it would seem that he's recovered well from his back issue.
- Statistically, we lost this game due to horrific defensive rebounding (with Dallas retaining nearly 1 out of every 2 missed shots). From a non-statistical perspective, this could be called heart, energy, desire, etc. Even if you set aside the talent levels for a moment, they outhustled us pretty easily. Their scrubs out-scrubbed our scrubs.
- I like how J.J. Barea did this little glare thing after every move he made. Dude, you're playing against Hilton Armstrong and Sean Marks. You'd better be making those shots. This is especially ironic, given the monster block Marks laid on him in the 4th.
- Dirk is a Beast.
- No comment on Posey.
- I liked what I saw from Melvin Ely. I still think he has a very underrated post game, he has an amazing pump fake, and he's a stout defender. Sure, he has many serious flaws to his game, but is he really that much worse than Hilton? Absolutely not. Ely has been a plus contributor in his career before, and there's no reason he can't be again, given the right role. He's about as good a rebounder as Armstrong (ie, pathetic), which is why I like Marks over him, but he's a decent piece given our current situation.
- Chris Paul played his heart out, scoring, rebounding, passing, defending, coaching, instructing, yelling, referee baiting, sweating, diving... at one point he weaved through five defenders on a single play. At another point, he literally jumped over the head of Brandon Bass and took a rebound out of his hands, while getting smacked by Barea. Chris Paul gets a big fat 0 in the W column for his efforts. And people still want to judge a player by how many wins he gets? By how many championships he wins? Madness.
- 42/9/7
Maybe this team turns it around with Tyson returning for the playoffs. It really isn't that crazy an idea; Tyson has an amazing impact on defense and a considerable one on offense. This team could very well make a deep run with him patrolling the middle. One thing is for sure though. The Hornets will go as far as Chris Paul and David West and Tyson Chandler take them. Byron Scott is simply coming along for the ride.
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The only thing that separates the Hornets from the Kings...
is the fact that the Kings don’t have Chris Paul. The people on this team couldn’t wipe their asses without Paul helping them.
I think that's harsh
We’ve just had a very unlucky year. There are some capable guys on this team, they just happen to be in roles they shouldn’t be because of injuries.
Hell no it isn't.
Peja – Can be good sometimes, if he gets open. He also has a mid-range game that he seldoms uses because he is as durable as a wet paper bag.
West – He’s the only other go to guy.
Rasual – Playing like crap for over 10 games.
Mo Pete – Never gets any play time.
Chandler – Who? I’m talking about people who actually play on this team.
Ely – Moron.
Armstrong – Dumbass who gets more fouls and turnovers than points and rebounds.
Marks – He can be reliable in the paint.
Daniels – Good for one 3 pointer, turning the ball over and running the shot clock down.
Brown – Doesn’t get any minutes, but now that he is getting minutes, he’s been playin like crap.
On second thought, the Kings have more talent on their team than we do.
Dude shut up. That is by far the stupidest thing anyone has posted on this blog.
Devin Brown is a basketball God!
by chandlerfan6 on Apr 10, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
Peja – Can be good sometimes, if he gets open. He also has a mid-range game that he seldoms uses because he is as durable as a wet paper bag.
When his three point game is going (which is pretty much always when healthy) nobody cares about his midrange game. I agree that it doesn’t make too much sense to chalk up his injury problems to poor luck (since we knew about them when we signed him)… but that doesn’t take away from what he can do.
West – He’s the only other go to guy.
I think you’re underselling a consistent 19 PER force with this argument. He’s very good in the clutch also. Overall, the perfect sidekick for Paul.
Rasual – Playing like crap for over 10 games.
Yes, let’s forget what he did for 65 games and dwell on the last 10. Good logic.
Chandler – Who? I’m talking about people who actually play on this team.
Yes, he’s injured. That’s my point exactly. See “unlucky” above.
Daniels – Good for one 3 pointer, turning the ball over and running the shot clock down.
Sure. But care to look up the list of other backup PG’s in the league? NBA production is never an absolute term, it’s always a relative one. Daniels is a relatively good backup point guard.
On second thought, the Kings have more talent on their team than we do.
Yeah, except not. The fact still remains that this has been a very unlucky year. I’m as depressed as anyone right now, but that doesn’t change the reality of things. We’re not playing well, we’re not being coached well, but that doesn’t mean we can overlook poor luck.
Front office has done a shit job
no doubt, putting a bunch of aging jumpshooters who can’t shoot around a good young core of CP, TC, and Dw; but the effort seems to be getting worse. It looks like there is a lack of motivation maybe the coaching or maybe just fatigue. In any case i guess we’re going to move TC or DW in the offseason no one is going to want scrubs Peja, Mo, or Posey’s huge salaries; Sual might have trade value but he has a good contract at $3.3 mill. If we don’t make some serious moves we will be behind young teams like Memphis, Minn, GS, and OKC very soon.
Going to do a post about this
But think about it this way. Last year, this team was on the verge of the WCF with a very young roster. This year, we took a step back due to injuries and some poor luck. Next year, we return the same roster. Tyson gets the entire summer to rest. So do Paul and West. In 09-2010 we take another crack, fully healthy, with the roster that was amazing in 2008-2009. Some of the top powers (San Antonio) will be well on the way down. There is considerable hope for the future no matter how many people write this team off. On top of all that, this season isn’t over yet either. Again, Chandler is a HUGE wildcard for the playoffs.
And I really, really don’t think teams like MEM, MIN, GSW, OKC, etc. are going to come close to challenging a healthy New Orleans Hornets team next year. It feels all gloom and doom right now, but it’s really not from a statistical perspective. There’s no way any of those teams take enough of a step forward next year.
I should add
I don’t necessarily disagree with you that the front office has done a poor job. They’ve made many boneheaded decisions, but not enough to kill this team off completely. A team with Paul/West/Chandler is always going to be in contention.
But will we have Chandler next season?
Aren’t they going to try and trade him again to avoid the luxury tax?
I sure hope they can keep these three together.
Man i hope you're right
and i’m just being pessimistic as usual, but I just don’t see DW getting any younger. TC staying healthy is a huge if and we don’t have much else as of right now, what was a young up and coming team is now an old shell. Teams like MEM, Minny, and OKC have a ton of young, cheap talent and we have a decrepit supporting cast that is making bank (which rules out any good trades). Maybe we can get some good value for TC/DW or at least some picks?
by kitsunegari on Apr 11, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with this review.
Byron just sits there thinking that the players will do the work for him. Truth is, he wasn’t last years coach of the year, it was the players that got him that award not Byron. I really dislike his ignorance and stubborness for change.
New Orleans Hornets: The most inconsistent team in the NBA.
This quote from Wright is why they have been losing so much
“A lot of times he held onto the ball and had to look for his own shot because we took everyone else away,‘’ said Mavericks swingman Antoine Wright, who opened the game guarding Paul. "We can live with that.’
Front office
Our front office has been “outplayed” by only two teams with limited budgets: San Antonio and Utah. Boston, Atlanta, Houston, LA, Orlando, and other large cities can let their budget balloon up without consequence, so their front offices don’t have the same contraints. San Antonio has the past champiosnhip resume to get quality guys to accept low salaries to help them win championships, and a fixture at coach.
At least 20 teams would kill to have achieved what our front office has achieved, probably closer to 25. New Orleans is my favorite city in the country, but I can admit we will never have more than about a million people, and never more than a handful Fortune 1000 companies. If we can get to the playoffs in a year where the starters miss 200+ games, the coach and the front office are doing us a fine job. Not perfect, but better than almost any other in the current NBA.
Give me more Ryan Bowen, and less JuJu. Give me back Tyson. Use Marks to back up DW. More Mo and less Devin Brown. Cut Posey’s minutes and stop asking him to handle the ball on offense. Sit anyone who doesn’t move without the ball, close out on defense, or get back on the opponent’s fast break.
Outplayed?
Last year was great and all but a second round exit isn’t historic by any means. And i don’t buy the small market issue, our bench is D-League quality and we are forking out $5 million to MoPete and $12 million to Peja among others. We have no assets for future transactions other than our core players. That’s not the product of a small market but of bad decision making. Look at Minny and Memphis who are loaded with cheap young talent whereas w/o CP3 the Hornets are the worst team in the league.
I think a primary issue.
Is just the basketball. Over the past couple of nights I have been watching some of the Hornets games from the good, bad and ugly and here is a consistency.
Our offense is exactly the same as it was at the start of the year.
Our game against OKC (in OKC), all it was was pass the ball to the wing for a screen or post entry, isolate that side and see what happens. Very little off-ball movement if any. The same thing happened in our game @ MIL. That was a very tight game but still we did the same thing. I will write about this in a post at my blog if anyone will be interested.
New Orleans Hornets: The most inconsistent team in the NBA.

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