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Trading Tyson Chandler

The Tyson Chandler to Phoenix trade rumors that started on draft day are simply refusing to die out. I've been hearing vague things from non-Hornet sources, but a poster on HornetsReport (who also posted on draft day that the Hornets had serious interest in Collison) offers far more clarity.

"... [E]xpect these moves in the next 2-3 weeks.

1.) TC for Ben Wallace

Devin might be a part of the deal too although it is not a deal breaker either way but the Hornets have no use for him this year so they want to dump him in the trade. The only reason this trade hasnt gone through yet is because of Phoenix's holdup with the Amare trade. That is their #1 priority right now but both teams want to get the TC for Wallace trade done.

Last I heard... Hornets would love to do something between 3-5 million and he wants at least 8. So if this trade doesnt go down, that is the most likely reason."

I'd heard the same on the buyout hangup, but these concrete numbers are very interesting. It allows us to calculate the financial implications with a good degree of accuracy.

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If you remember back to my post from a few days ago, I talked about the cap benefits of moving Antonio Daniels and Rasual Butler. The primary benefit I described was trading them for smaller salaries, via either trade exceptions or to teams under the salary cap. This Tyson Chandler proposal explores a new dimension of saving cap space- a new dimension that could render a Butler trade moot.

The trade would be Chandler straight up for Wallace. Trade Machine still hasn't put through the Shaq-Wallace deal, so I can't link to it. But the math is straight forward. Chandler makes 12,250,000 this year, meaning the incoming player can make a maximum of 15,312,500 (125%) this year. Wallace makes 14,000,000, so the deal works. The mechanism behind a buyout is simple. The Hornets would basically pay Wallace a portion of his 14M salary to sit at home (and retire, as he wants to). The buyout contract is the money that goes into the salary cap calculation.

So to calculate the money saved is equally simple. Take Chandler's salary and subtract the buyout deal the Hornets theoretically agree on. If the Hornets agreed to Wallace's supposedly desired 8 million figure, the Hornets would save 12.25 (Tyson) minus 8 (Wallace) for a total of 4.25 million. Yesterday, we came up with the calculation that the Hornets are going to be approximately 8.5 million dollars over the cap. The goal of any deal involving Chandler is that it should put us under the luxury tax in one fell swoop. Otherwise, it probably wouldn't be worth moving TC in such a sell low situation. So to save 8.5 million in a Wallace buyout, the Hornets would have to get Wallace to agree to a 12.25-8.5=3.75 million dollar buyout. This is exactly in line with the HornetsReport post that said the Hornets seek a buyout in the 3 to 5 million dollar range. The more money they save in a Wallace deal, the more they can spend on free agency.

Those are the financial ramifications, but how about the roster implications? By trading Chandler for Wallace, the Hornets would have two big men on the roster- David West and Hilton Armstrong. Two. They'd be right at the luxury limit, so George Shinn could be wary of using the full midlevel (likely what it will take) to acquire a Marcin Gortat. There would only be 12 players on the roster. Basically, they'd have 2 spots left (Scott doesn't like filling out the 15th player until late in the season). Both would have to be used on big men. The team would be a mess otherwise.

But the HornetsReport post also said that the Hornets still want Jannero Pargo. So a Chandler trade necessitates an Antonio Daniels trade, by default. The only way for the Hornets to clear a roster space to get Pargo is to trade Daniels for a big. That way, they'd use one of the two remaining spots on Pargo and the other on another big. Additionally, moving Daniels could provide salary relief in and of itself (trade exception, etc), if the Hornets choose to go in that direction.

I'll try and do a "Trading Antonio Daniels" post tomorrow, basically looking at where he could be dealt. For now, it's pretty clear that trading Chandler and trading Daniels go hand in hand.

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Interesting stuff.

As for cheap big signings. Perhaps one or both of the Collins brothers? They’ve got no offense, and were rated horribly in terms of PER, but they are both gritty defenders and could be signed for the vet’s minimum. Robert Swift? He’s 7-1 and young. Still could have some upside. Put up pretty good per-minute numbers when he got some playing time a few years back. I don’t know though. It’s not looking so good for the Bugs right now.

by Dodgerblue15 on Jun 29, 2009 6:17 PM CDT reply actions  

That HR thread scares the hell out of me.

The idea that the Hornets could trade Tyson and not get a starting-caliber 5 OR a back-up 4 should be summarily dismissed. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem the front office feels the same way.

I don’t generally like to regard armchair GM-ing with any kind of authority, but I don’t generally like reactionary panic either, and since I’ve already covered that…

The Hornets should pick-up a good back-up 4 with the $2 million or so they’ll have to do that, while moving Daniels and/or Peja, ’Sual and, if possible, Brown in order to create the approx. $23 million of cap space sought. Bringing in Pargo at this point seems somewhat redundant, and selling this low on Tyson without some kind of contingency could be very dangerous.

This is getting long (probably should have been a FanPost, sorry), so I’ll conclude by saying that while I don’t expect Shinn and Co. to stop trying to get under the luxury tax threshold (nor should other realistic fans), there’s a smart way to cut salary and a reasonable amount of time in which to do. Hopefully, our team will avail themselves of both.

by Mr. Diamond on Jun 29, 2009 6:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Chandler

There are still some huge questions in my mind about the Chandler situation.

Everybody at HornetsReport.com who claims to have “inside information” absolutely SWEARS that Chandler’s career is essentially over, his toe is degenerative, and that the Hornets are well-served to dump him.

The logical question if this is so obviously the case then becomes: why would another NBA team want to take on $25 million of guaranteed salary for a permanently wounded player?

There is no logical explanation for this. No team would want Chandler if he were really done. And yet rumors abound. Cleveland wants him. Phoenix wants him. Memphis wants him. Why?

Why would they want him? I don’t get it. Could somebody please answer this for me? Why pay a ruined Chandler $25MM when you could trade for Camby on the cheap or sign Gortat for half that amount. Or Andersen for 1/3 of that amount. Makes no sense.

by YoungFella on Jun 29, 2009 8:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Some people over there

Have been insufferably smug about their “inside information” in the past and then been wrong. I take it with a huge grain of salt.

I would hate this. 7-1 guys who can run like that don’t just pop up everywhere. The team just makes its weakness 100 times weaker by doing this. I see the money reasons, but I hate that the team’s ability to be competitive will take a huge hit because the front office decided it was a great idea to give long term contracts to every swingman who walked through the door.

http://hornetshype.com

by ticktock6 on Jun 30, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh...

This makes me sad. I hope it doesn’t happen.

by Caleb462 on Jun 29, 2009 11:11 PM CDT reply actions  

don’t worry, David Kahn has shown us all the light. all you need to do is play two PGs at the same time.

by homer simpson on Jun 30, 2009 2:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also

Can we please now admit the Chandler trade midseason would have been amazing for the team financially… had it gone through? It would have solved, what, almost our entire salary problem?

So can the team finally please admit (now that it’s become completely obvious to I think everyone with a brain) that it was an entirely financial move? “We traded him for two scrubs to get more rebounding!” was always BS, and it has been proven BS by the fact that they’re now trying to trade him for nothing at all. Man, I’m still annoyed about being lied to. It made me angrier than the trade made me. When everyone knew it was a lie. Fans aren’t stupid. One more black mark on a disappointing season.

http://hornetshype.com

by ticktock6 on Jun 30, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Daniels Trade

Trade Daniels and Mo Pete to the Clippers for Camby. The money works, you get the center you lose in the Chandler trade, and you also get an expiring contract. Could be possible because the Clippers are tryin to move him to make space for Blake Griffin.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ktdy96

by diesel0722 on Jun 30, 2009 2:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Why do we need to make a move?

Why the F can’t we just wait until next season before Peja and Mo come off the books. We made the playoffs two years in a row. This deal goes through and the Hornets are done.

New Orleans Hornets: The most inconsistent team in the NBA.

by Grayson on Jul 1, 2009 2:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Pargo

The Hornets are in touch with him

by robbiesqp on Jul 1, 2009 2:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Not good.

You’d think after this season the Hornets front office would realise a need for front court depth. But now we might only have one player, playing in the front court, David West.

New Orleans Hornets: The most inconsistent team in the NBA.

by Grayson on Jul 1, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Definitely sounds like the Hornets plan is this:

1. Trade Tyson for a preferably retiring player, 2. Trade Daniels for a big.

These first two moves would put the roster size at 12, with one big taken care of. So then, 3. sign another big, 4. sign Pargo.

I think it’s unlikely to happen because of the Clips’ deal today. They can afford to keep Camby now that they traded Randolph.

by Rohan on Jul 1, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

Those were my thoughts exactly. My dad is an editor at the Times-Pic and he said John Reid told him they’d contacted Pargo’s agent today.

by robbiesqp on Jul 1, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was just listening to a local sportstalk show...

They were talking about Brandon Bass… apparently, his agent stated that New Orleans is on the short list of places Brandon would like to end up.

Doubt we’d be able to pay him what he wants though… I don’t know.

by Caleb462 on Jul 1, 2009 7:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah...

If Gortat got the full midlevel offer (rumored from Houston) for one pretty good season, I’d imagine Bass is seeking close to that if not the full.

Unless Jeff Bower is planning on some serious wheeling and dealing, I’m thinking you’re right.

by Rohan on Jul 1, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

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