Detroit deal is the best we will get
I don't know if the Detroit deal of Maxiell and Kwame for Chandler is a real option but it is far superior then trading for Ben Wallace for multiple reasons. First of all we'd be getting real players in the deal versus paying someone not to play. Maxiell is one of the better backup bigs in the league and his athleticism allows him to play some 5 as well as 4. He is tenancious and tough and he makes underrated momentum plays (crazy blocks out of nowhere and rim rattling dunks that steal the thunder from other teams and force timeouts). Kwame is a good backup big with good size and athleticism. If people could get over his being a draft bust, they'd realize he is a more then adequate backup who plays good d. We would go from having the worst frontcourt benches in the game to having one of the best.
Secondly, I think the Hornets could easily get Will Bynum in this deal in exchange for Devin Brown. Alot of people dont know this, but Bynum was a very good undersized combo guard coming off of Detroit's bench last year. He is a score first point in the mold of Pargo, but he was alot better at it last year then Pargo was in 08. He is expendable because Gordon will eat up any minutes that he might have gotten this year. That move also saves us another couple hundred thousand dollars.
Thirdly, we could trade Kwame to the Heat for a second rounder or nothing at all. The Heat have an exception as was mentioned here before, but they are stacked at the 2 and 3. What they are lacking is a backup 5 with size and a willingness to bang. Enter Kwame. I think Miami does this move in a second, and maybe would even have it as part of the initial deal. Also his contract expires this year so he doesnt get in the way of Miami's 2010 plans.
Those two moves save us 7 million dollars. That leaves us with a need to get a starting big. That sucks, but it is a better position than we would be in with Phoenix because it would leave us still having to get a backup 4 not to mention having to fill up the minimum amount of players at 13.
As for our starting center issue, I think we should do one of two moves (or both, the best option I think). Trade Peja and maybe a first for Dalembert, and trade Hilton, Daniels, and Mo for Diop and Nazr Mohammed. Both of these moves net us an additional 4.5-6 million in cap space (it depends on what the cap is. Peja's contract is alot larger then Dalembert's but the Sixers may still be under the cap. If not we would have to pick up Jason Smith). I don't know if the first is necessary or not because they really want to get rid of Dalembert and could use another shooter.
Charlotte does the deal because it gives them over 9 million in expiring deals and they have been trying to get rid of Mohammed for a while.
This move gives us 2 great defensive 5's who excell at different parts of the game. Dalembert is super athletic and quick for his size. He is also a much better rebounder then Diop who himself is a good rebounder. Sam would be great for running the break and he is a very good team defender because of his length and quckness.
Diop is simply one of the best post defenders in the game because of his size and quickness (not running but getting to his spot on the floor during the pick and roll). He is not the rebounder or shot blocker that Dalembert is but he has more bulk and he isnt a head case.
Guys that gives us a VERY solid bench and puts us well below the cap, enough so that we could sign another player (Rashad McCants would be my preference). Let's do the Detroit deal.
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First, I must thank you, as your work
inspired the creation of my first FanPost.
I don’t think there’s much of a chance Detroit does a Bynum-for-D. Brown deal, nor do I think Miami would be too interested in K. Brown (they’ve already got cheaper back-up 5’s, Mark Blount excluded). Peja-for-Dalembert might work, but we’d then have to hang onto Butler and his expiring deal and, at that point, trading for Diop and Mohammed would be superfluous. We’d already have better back-up 5’s in Armstrong and K. Brown, and losing Mo Pete would leave us even more short-staffed at the 2.
by Mr. Diamond on Jul 6, 2009 10:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the kind words.
I’m glad that my post encouraged you to start posting. We need more posts on this website. It is a great resource, but I wish we had the same fan dialogue that other sites have (not the fault of the creator of the blog who does an awesome job).
As to your points, I think Bynum is gettable in the Chandler deal because he is expendable. We won’t get any minutes in Detroit, and even if he did get injury minutes he is a bad fit with the other guards because they are all shoot first guys who need set up men or the ball in their hands, neither of which Bynum will provide.
First he is perfect because he gives us a year to work on Collison and Thornton’s game, and he is a great second guard to run the two pg sets we used to run.
As for the Kwame move, I would argu that none of their backups are adequate which is why they got such little p.t. Blount as you said is terrible, Joel Anthony would have to be signed, which is tough since they are so close to the luxury tax. The Kwame move gives them an expiring contract and a solid backup without counting against the luxury tax.
I don’t think hanging on to Butler is a bad move for us, especially until we see what the coaches think of Thornton’s game. The moves that I have suggested would allow us to get another wing to shore up that position. As I have said I love Rashad McCants for that spot. Also, don’t forget that some of Bynum’s minutes will come at the 2 because two point guards has worked for us before.
Getting Diop and Dalembert may seem a bit redundant but I think its a good insurance policy against Dalembert being a loony tune. Also, while he is quick, I don’t know if Diop is fast, and I worry about whether he would slow down our fast break. Having both of them would really shore up that spot for the next 2 or three years.
by jdpourciau on Jul 7, 2009 9:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You make good points about Bynum
and I think if Daniels could be flipped for an expiring big or SG, then that, combined with the Chandler deal and a Peja-for-Dalembert deal, would save the team approx. $10 million, essentially solving our luxury tax issues (I think).
However, if Peja goes, then Butler and Mo Pete have to stay in order to keep some level of depth at the 2 and 3.
Instead of moving K. Brown to Miami (and getting to know the Heat’s FO, making it harder to woo D. Wade in 2010 :) ), I think sending him to Philly with Peja as part of a three-team deal would work better.
Potential Depth Chart:
PG: Paul/Collison
SG: Peterson/Thornton/(someone for Daniels)
SF: Butler/Posey/Wright
PF: West/Maxiell
C: Dalembert/Armstrong/(someone for Daniels)
by Mr. Diamond on Jul 9, 2009 3:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dalembert
I don’t know a ton about basketball in terms of finances. But why would the 76er’s trade away Samuel Dalembert?
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 11, 2009 9:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As a Detroit fan
I can say I wholeheartedly would support this deal because we don’t have to give up a main piece like Rip or Tayshaun. This is ideal because some have accused Chandler of being over, a shame because he really is one of my favorite defensive centers, a bit like a watered-down version of Marcus Camby (he needs to reach out and block more with those Inspector Gadget arms).
The Will Bynum for D. Brown deal doesn’t look convincing to me, we already have a log-jam at the SG position with Gordon and Hamilton battling for minutes, and the SF position is stacked with 3 rookies. Will Bynum is the only backup PG we have and I doubt we’ll give him up unless we get another in return. You have some misconceptions about Bynum as well, he’s undersized so he’s not much of a combo guard. And he’s definitely pass first, but he can turn it on when necessary. He’s a great defensive stopper as well. You say he won’t get any minutes in Detroit, why do you say that? He’s the only other PG on the roster besides Stuckey (unless you count Gordon, I don’t) he averaged 14 minutes last season and 20 in the playoffs. Pistons are pretty high on Bynum now, it’s not advisable to trade him now.
We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne
by detpistons3 on Jul 16, 2009 7:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good to hear from Detroit
I’m glad you like the look of the trade as well. The reason I say Bynum won’t get minutes is because Gordon, Stuckey and Rip will all want at least 30 minutes a game. That is only doable if you play Gordon and Rip in the backcourt at the same time for at least some of the time. Also that leaves you with only 6 minutes left at the 1 and 2 spots. I don’t pretend that Devin is any good but he would be an adequate pairing with Gordon as he is a good ball handler, can bring the ball up the court and set the offense of for Gordon, and he has the size to guard the 2 spot.
You are right that he is a better passer then I intimated (impressive assist rate) but he is a shoot first point guard. (the guy took six shots a game in 14 minutes, this isn’t a bad thing because he was hitting his shots, but it still is alot of shots for a pg)
by jdpourciau on Jul 17, 2009 1:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You make some good points
It’ll take some clever rotations from Kuester to fit them all in. But, assume Rip will also play the 3 (he did it quite often last year), Stuckey will play the 2 occasionally (Joe Dumars has said he intends to play Stuckey off the ball a bit). Bynum might not get the same amount of minutes, but he’ll get them. It would be fruitless for the only players that plan to initiate the offense are more 2 guards than pure points. And ‘Bynumite’ is the purest point on the roster.
I’ve entertained the idea in Motownstringmusic, some seem skeptical about it. Frankly, I don’t understand it, it accomplishes both goals, because we get the center we need, and Hornets get the cap relief, as well as an explosive young big man. Sure Chandler can remain injured for his tenure in Detroit, but in the end we don’t give up much. 1 servicable center, and 1 undersized PF. How many undersized PFs are in this league? They’re a dime a dozen. And say Chandler doesn’t get injured, and goes back to the level he was playing at 2 years ago, Detroit has an excellent young front court pairing that will give teams headaches. Villanueva with his scoring, and Chandler with his defense and rebounding. It’s a small risk, but the rewards are endless. I’ll be happy to see Maxiell in New Orleans. The Hornets have been my Western Conference team for awhile now, (even before they drafted CP3), and if Detroit can’t win the championship, I’m usually pulling for New Orleans to do it.
We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne
by detpistons3 on Jul 17, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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