Jerryd Bayless and Darren Collison
Two and a half months ago, New Orleans moved Darren Collison to Indiana. Opinion on the trade was fairly divided at the time. My initial opinion (which still holds today) was that Trevor Ariza would produce more wins, almost as an absolute certainty, than Collison could produce as Chris Paul's backup. Though Collison's intrinsic "value" was likely higher than an under-performing Trevor Ariza, it doesn't mean the Hornets could have recouped his full value via a trade.
The trade also unloaded the contract of James Posey. I generally hate trades that give away talent to shed salary, but they're an unfortunate reality sometimes. Posey wasn't Dell Demps' bad decision, and New Orleans did slice off ~$15 million in payroll through 2012.
Following yesterday's trade, I'm really starting to combine the two moves in my head. I think New Orleans came out a little bit ahead in each of (a) Collison for Ariza and Posey dump, and (b) mid-1st rounder in a possibly weak '11 draft for Bayless. Together? It looks like this:
IN: Bayless, Ariza, $$/Cap Space
OUT: Collison, 1st round pick
I hate how "jump" has no good synonyms. Well other than "capriole," I guess. Capriole, people.
I'd further split that original grouping into two parts: the point guard for the (ostensible) new point guard and the rest for the rest. Let's start with the former:
Darren Collison for Jerryd Bayless
Darren Collison had a really good rookie season. He was a decent passer (32.9% of his possessions ended in an assist), and he shot well from the floor. Though he didn't take great care of the ball, there's no question that, had he stayed, he would have backed up a healthy Chris Paul perfectly.
Jerryd Bayless had a sophomore season comparable to Collison's 2009-2010 (Bayless is almost exactly one year younger than Collison). He posted a 108 ORtg on a 24.9% usage rate versus Collison's 105 ORtg on 23.1% usage. And despite a lower PER, he posted 0.1 win shares per 48 minutes versus Collison's 0.07. As hyped as Collison was heading into the offseason, there's a case that Jerryd Bayless was actually the better overall player. Of course, there's also the argument that Collison was better overall since he posted his slightly worse figures against starter-level competition. Either way, both players' production values were far closer than most people realize.
The main issue goes something like this: Darren Collison is a "point guard." Jerryd Bayless is not a "point guard." And to a lot of analysts, that's that.
But it's not so black and white. The concept of the "positional revolution" has been floating around for a while now. I highly recommend this recent piece by Noam Schiller at Hardwood Paroxysm. This is a particularly excellent quote:
And yet, despite myriad evidence that it makes no sense, we insist on defining positions by skill set. This league is full of point guards who don’t get points, shooting guards who can’t shoot, small forwards who are big, power forwards who are weak, and centers that consistently stay in the outskirts of the court. Tweeners, exceptions, oddities – call them what you want, but they are a dominant part of this game, at times even the best the game has to offer.
Jerryd Bayless will likely play the point guard position for New Orleans. From that position, he'll shoot the ball often and create ample offense for himself. Those are qualities we'd traditionally associate with a "wing." (If we take a free throw attempt as the conventionally defined 0.44 field goal attempts, Bayless averaged 16 shots per 36 minutes in 2009-2010). Those aren't qualities we necessarily associated with Collison (though Collison, too, comes in at 14.8 shots per 36 minutes).
Just because Jerryd Bayless doesn't play "point guard" doesn't mean he can't play point guard. The minutes distributions from 82games.com (posted yesterday) indicate that he provided efficient offense from the position. He'll provide efficient offense from the position again in 2010-2011. He may not have the vision of a Darren Collison, but he'll certainly execute a number of set plays from shooters like Marcus Thornton, outside of his own offense.
Those types of plays are most often functions of a team's basic offensive system than anything else. Peja Stojakovic runs off four screens and arrives on the wing. Darren Collison, dribbling at the top of the key for six seconds, hits him. Another Entergy, etc. There's no reason Bayless can't play that same role either. The difference comes in their decision making. Where Collison might drive and kick to an open Songaila, Bayless may fake and go in for the layup. The data suggests that both players were equally as valuable in making those differing decisions last year.
The issue of Thornton's and Bayless' coexistence is one Monty Williams will need to sort out. But again, the '09-'10 Hornets utilized a ton of "stopped ball" plays for MT, where Collison would basically keep the ball up top until Thornton broke free. There's absolutely no reason those plays can't be carried over.
The final factor for me is Bayless' versatility. Darren Collison plays 15-20 minutes a night, maximum. He never displayed the necessary off-ball skills to warrant time at off guard with Chris Paul on the floor (New Orleans did use the dual guard look effectively, but with Paul at the 2. Any system that moves Chris Paul off a ball dominant position is one I'd like to stay away from). Bayless will play those same 15, with the potential to move off the ball as well. He has the capability to be a Leandro Barbosa-type game breaker- a player that can handle the ball and move into scoring mode at will. Collison won't bring that quality, and Thornton, who relies on screens and passes for his shots, really isn't of that mold either.
From both a statistical and team construction standpoint, the Collison-Bayless swap is very close to equal.
2011 1st Rounder for Trevor Ariza, $$/Cap Space
Is there anyone that doesn't do this trade every single time? With the lockout looming, 2011 could be one of the weakest classes in years. Basketball-Prospectus's SCHOENE and various other statistical projection systems project the Hornets to finish with around the NBA's 10th to 15th best record (or way better than the "experts" of the national media). Acquiring a defensive swingman, cap space for the summer, and saved money for that mid-round pick is absolutely worth it.
In Sum
Again, I thought both moves were pretty decent when analyzed individually. Combined, they make even more sense.
Overall, it's hard not to be excited about this offense (by the way, B-Pro's SCHOENE system projects the Hornets to have the 2nd most efficient offense in the NBA this year. And that's assuming Willie Green and Jannero Pargo had manned the point). A starting unit of Paul-Belinelli-Ariza-West-Okafor with excellent bench offense from Bayless and Thornton and shooting from Stojakovic is going to perform really well.
I've still got major questions about the defense... but man will this be a fun team to watch.
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This trade was hard for me, as a fan of Bayless.
He’s a tireless worker and wants to be the best at what he does. I admired that and enjoyed watching him. His tweets and interviews are a little less entertaining.
From a basketball standpoint, it’s a good deal for both New Orleans and Portland. Bayless is a good player, make no mistake; the problem is that his playing style resembles Brandon Roy’s quite closely. As a result, he and Roy had trouble coexisting as a backcourt, which meant his time in Portland was doomed from the start.
I watch Jerryd Bayless play basketball a lot, and I watch the New Orleans Hornets play basketball a lot. There’s zero doubt in my mind that he’s exactly what the Hornets need; someone who can create offense by himself when Paul’s not on the floor, and someone who can be a more efficient piece alongside Paul. He really is the rich man’s version of 07-08 Jannero Pargo. He can shoot fairly well from distance, and his form has certainly improved each summer though the annoying habit of shooting with his toes on the three-point line persists. His skill at drawing contact more than makes up for his deficiencies regarding the jump shot.
On the negative side, he struggles making decisions. You’ll see a lot of jump passing, a lot of him losing his dribble. He doesn’t have quite the handle you’d hope for from a scoring guard, or the outside shot to play next to Paul perfectly. He’s over-aggressive on defense, which is fun to watch, but bad for his foul situation and overall effectiveness. He will have good defensive moments, however. If he learned to keep the fouls down, he’d be about average guarding point guards, though I worry very much about him guarding 2-guards.
While Bayless isn’t good at running pick and roll or dishing inside for easy assists, he is excellent at drive-and-dish, so putting him alongside two of Belinelli/Thornton/Ariza would work well. I’d say that he runs a decent pick and pop, also.
While I’m sad to see him go, I’m excited for his opportunity in New Orleans and I’ve picked him and Ariza up in fantasy. He’s going to put up some points.
(Sorry for going a little OT, I missed the original post about Bayless)
I'm happy to have B-rex.....
….. sounds like the type of player and person that you want to pull for. I drafted him tonite for my fantasy team as well. Thanks for the detailed analysis.
as a Blazer and Bayless fan like Cab
I am happy to see him get the opportunity. The guy wasn’t born with the point guard gene like John Stockton or Brandon Jennings, but that’s not what the Blazers were looking for when they drafted him. They were hoping he could be a Tony Parker type who would be able to bring the ball up the court, make reasonably good decisions and put a lot of pressure on opposing defenses. Unfortunately, the Blazers’ depth has put him in a position where a single jump-pass or bad kick-out got him yanked. He’s had precious little opportunity to develop those basic skills in game time situations. Because of this, he falls back on his ability to get to the rim. I believe with the longer leash Monty is likely to give him, he will be able to develop into a competent backup SG/PG a la Leandrinho. Again, he is never going to blow you away with his passing, but with his work ethic and desire to improve, he can probably go from poor to passable. Remember, out of all his lottery peers, only the hapless Joe Alexander got less playing time in their first two years.
And even if his passing doesn’t improve much at all, he’s already elite at getting to the rim and drawing fouls. He will probably singlehandedly win you three or four games this year just with his ability to score at the rack.
Great analysis
I definitely enjoyed that post Rohan.
Bayless is a vassst improvement over Willie G to spell CP3. Younger, lots of room to grow, just overall better, lol.
This team has the makings of being a high scoring offense. I just wonder if they’ll be a lesser version of the Suns from the past few years (high scoring, but shady defense).
If you look at this team from the start of the summer until now, there’s obv been vast changes and improvements. This proves that a team can make solid improvements without spending tons of money (Hornets actually gained cap space and are obv much more improved!)
Bayless
Jarryd Bayless improved significantly from season 1 to season 2. He played the bulk of his minutes at point in season 1 and the bulk of his minutes at SG in season 2, the kind of switching which can make for a more difficult adjustment.
On the other hand, the more I think about it, the more I wonder whether he’s really going to be an adequate PG. His A/TO is horrible, 1.77 AST to 1 TO last season, which was an improvement from his 1.36 ratio as a rookie. Those are well below the 2/1 ratio which I think is a minimum for any player attempting to play PG (even Collison who set a franchise record for TOs last season managed to finish above 2/1).
We’ll have to see whether and how he gels at PG.
Overall though, it helps to have him this year than not to have him.
Finally,
Posey wasn’t Dell Demps’ bad decision
I would note that drafting Collison wasn’t Dell Demps good decision either.
Cheers ~
Well, I reckon I'm not gonna be needing my Rex pictures anymore... You can have 'em...



"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Oct 25, 2010 12:33 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs
The story of the Rex name...
Bayless was initially projected to be an upper echelon pick in his draft, a lottery pick guy, but he fell to the Blazers at the 13 pick, or some such. The reason, so it was explained, was that scouts though his arms were too short — sorta like a T-Rex. So it started as a bit of an insult, I suppose. Then, as soon as we Blazer fans got a load of his intensity, work ethic, and willingness to take the ball to the hole, even if it meant he was gonna get hammered, the ferocity of the Rex began to seem quite appropriate…
Anyway, now you’ve got the Rex and all we’ve got is a crappy Top-7-Protected draft pick…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I love B-Rex as a nickname.....
… totally fits given the story. Thanks for the pictures…. I’m gonna use em.
by 3ptace on Oct 25, 2010 10:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
My biggest concern in all of this is.....
Coaching. I think any of these choices could be either genius or idiocy depending on what Montys plan is and how they can execute it. Monty IS a rookie HC. He could have grand ideas that dont pan out or his guys cant execute in the face of more experienced competition. Alternately, he could have ideas that take the league by surprise and we walk all over everyone.
Only time will tell. 48 hours till tipoff.

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