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Hornets 99, Spurs 90: Third Quarter Dominance Leads to 3-0 Start

The Hornets won at the AT&T Center for just the third time since 2002 with another convincing defensive performance. Chris Paul was also involved. 

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Road back-to-backs inherently provide (generally valid) excuses to fall back on. Fatigue. The Road. Less time to prepare. We can, however, save all of those for some other recap. Tonight, the Hornets played probably their best offensive and defensive game of the young season. 

New Orleans is starting to establish that its defense can keep it in games until the offense comes to life. We saw it in against Milwaukee and Denver, and it was even more pronounced against San Antonio. Chris Paul struggled in the first quarter (2 turnovers, 1 assist, 0 made field goals), including throwing the first pass of the game straight to Manu Ginobili. The Hornets converted just one field goal in the final 5 minutes of the first. But all the while, the defense kept pace. The numbers by quarter:

 Points/Possession

 1st Quarter

 2nd Quarter

 3rd Quarter

 Offense

0.68

 1.13

1.32 

 Defense

 0.96

0.78 

0.72 

As the offense went from abysmal to good to stellar, the defense steadily tightened. By the time the fourth quarter rolled around (when the Hornets' offense dipped and the defense struggled to contain a Spurs squad fueled by desperation), the lead was insurmountable. We've seen double digit leads vanish in three consecutive games now, but on the flip side, we've eventually managed to protect each one successfully.

The Bench

It's hard to pinpoint any single reason our bench has been successful. Its front court features two subpar players (Smith and Mbenga). Its offense is predicated on turnover-prone guards creating long jumpers for each. Not one member of the bench is particularly noticeable for his defense. It's an undersized unit, too. There will definitely be games when those jumpers won't fall, and the bench play will look ugly.

I suppose that more than anything, the energy they've brought is terrific. They look to push the ball off turnovers, blocked shots, and even missed shots because they realize that their half-court offense tends to stagnate. They make quick rotations on defense, and Smith, Pops, and Mbenga looked more than adequate against SA's bigs. I still want Aaron Gray activated and taking minutes away from the Smith-Mbenga duo, but for now, this has somehow worked.

Jerryd Bayless will continue to draw criticism after bombing again. Thus far, he has 7 turnovers in just over 30 minutes, has shot 3 for 9, and has picked up just 5 assists. I still advocate giving him time. Last year in Portland, Bayless turned the ball over on just 13% of all his possessions. He's been wild and out of control, but when he's reigned in, he gets to the foul line and he scores. Whether he can pass like a "true point guard" remains to be seen, but he posted a 21% assist rate in 2009-2010, a figure I'd gladly accept this year. 

The disparity in my evaluations of Bayless and J. Smith ("give him time" and "where the #@% is Aaron Gray?") is essentially empirically based. Smith hasn't performed in the past; that doesn't preclude future success, but it makes it more unlikely. Bayless has performed in the past, and it's likely he can regain that form if the teams stays patient. 

I'd be remiss not to mention Willie Green. He's another guy that falls in the Jason Smith "hasn't performed before" category, and I'm still not a fan of his shot selection. But he doesn't make too many mistakes defensively, and if he's more selective on offense, he'll contribute. We're not getting 12 points on 10 shots from him every game though, but that Songaila trade looks better by the game.

Rounding out the bench tonight was Marcus Thornton. 7 rebounds, 2 steals, 17 points on 14 shots. To everyone that wrote off his 2009-2010 success as a function of his role on a bad team: kindly shut up now. Players don't magically become talented because they get to take a ton of shots for a mediocre team. Marcus Thornton is a quality basketball player. 

Ball Movement

The team's passing game without Chris Paul continues to be impressive. While CP assisted on just 13% of his 22 possessions, the rest of the team finished 20% of their possessions with assists. That's something you'd never, ever see with a Byron Scott-led team. Seven players posted at least two assists.

David West, Trevor Ariza, and Marco Belinelli all swung the ball with ease wit eeeasssee for the third straight game, and the team picked up easy buckets as a result.

On Tim Duncan and Emeka Okafor

TD looked absolutely terrible tonight, and Emeka Okafor certainly deserves a lot of credit. While Duncan was able to back Okafor down on occasion, Mek did a terrific job denying the face-up game. Okafor was only credited with one official blocked shot, but he challenged or altered almost every single Duncan attempt. 

I don't think I've ever seen Duncan so rattled. He's still one of the game's best, and he'll undoubtedly post another stellar year. But for one night, he looked like a lost rookie. And it surely wasn't all Okafor's doing. The defining moment came in the fourth quarter when Duncan caught a pass underneath the hoop with no Hornet nearby. All he had to do was flip it in, or if he wanted to get fancy, dunk it. Instead, he traveled. Without the slightest possible reason to move at all, he traveled! 

Okafor is at a disadvantage here because we'll always compare his defensive performance with 2007-2008 Tyson Chandler (one of the greatest defensive seasons by a center I've ever seen). If he can continue playing like this though, his contract is absolutely worth it.

Cherry on top? I accidentally left Duncan on my fantasy team's bench.

Illegal Defense Issues

Three games is too small a sample to point out any legitimate trends. But New Orleans surely can't keep giving away points via the 3-second like this. The Hornets committed four (!) such violations tonight- one each by David West, Pops Mensah-Bonsu, Jason Smith, and Marco Belinelli.

Our increased 3-second violation rate is somewhat related to our improved post defense- nearly every play sees an extra Hornet hanging in the vicinity of the paint to provide help on both cutters and drivers. But we need to get smarter about how that help arrives. 

The Minutes Distribution

You won't believe this next part. Check out the Hornets' minutes:

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Chris Paul getting 31 minutes on the back end of a road back-to-back? In a 9 point win? It seems to good to be true. But if Monty Williams continues to use all 12 active players, this will continue to be the logical result. Monty even noted post-game, when asked if his rotations were finally set, that he wants to get Quincy Pondexter in the mix.

The obvious counterargument is that it isn't possible to play all 12 guys against the various talented teams in this league. To an extent, that's true. But a 12-man rotation did just pull off a back-to-back sweep against the Denver Nuggets and the San Antonio Spurs. 

I laughed when Dell Demps and Monty Williams said they'd optimally limit CP3 to 34 a night. That and "success" seemed mutually exclusive. Now? I'm not so sure. 

Chris Paul 

No matter how many times it happens, a barely 6 foot guard taking over a game is just totally ludicrous. First, from the play-by-play department come these two stretches in the 2nd and 3rd quarters:

1:47- D. West makes 14-foot jumper (C. Paul assists) 
1:23- D. West makes 17-foot jumper (C. Paul assists)
0:51- C. Paul makes 16-foot jumper
0:28- C. Paul makes 24-foot three point jumper

That's 9 points created in under 80 seconds.

8:52- C. Paul makes 19-foot jumper
8:26- C. Paul makes 5-foot shot
7:39- C. Paul makes driving layup
7:13- C. Paul makes layup

There's another 8 points in less than two minutes. For the second straight night, Paul had a 30 foot three at the shot clock buzzer. And of course, he absolutely destroyed George Hill's ankles before finishing a ridiculous floater off glass over two defenders to seal the game. 

Let's all take a moment to laugh at John Hollinger.

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Okay, all done. Good night (Slash good morning, I guess).

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A big Laugh Out Loud to Hollinger

If that guy isn’t eating his own words then I don’t know who is.

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by Grayson on Oct 31, 2010 2:19 AM CDT reply actions  

That's the problem

He probably won’t even acknowledge it.

by Rohan on Oct 31, 2010 2:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's weird because

I respect his work a lot. Without Hollinger, there’s no way stats advance to where they are now. But as a writer, he loves taking random shots at players. The “sources tell me CP is out of shape” thing was hilariously over the top… didn’t take a “scout” or “insider” to turn on the TV and watch the half dozen preseason games Paul played in.

by Rohan on Oct 31, 2010 2:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Until I see old footage....

….of Hollinger actually DOING something on a basketball court I have no respect for , or desire to read what he writes. I know a lot of y’all are stat guys….I’m a wins guy. I was always taught that stats can be manipulated into saying whatever you wish to say….I was always taught to put the ball in the basket and make sure you score more than your opponent….the rest is for cats like Hollinger who have to watch because they could never play. The reality is that NOONE knew what our team would look like because of the number of unknown variables. I LIKE WHAT I SEE GUYS!

Peace

by 3ptace on Oct 31, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

The point of stats

is to predict wins from an individual level. Wins are a measure of a team’s success. Basic box score stats, however, are an incredibly poor way of measuring individual performance.

Sure, stats can be “manipulated” to say anything. That’s why we only put stock in those stats that predict wins. As you saw in my season prediction post, I noted that our advanced stats from last year indicated we should have won about 36.5 games. In reality? 37. That’s a good prediction.

It’s true that nobody can predict anything exactly. These year’s pre-season projections though have New Orleans playing good basketball (~50 win team). So far, that’s looking on point. It’s based on empirical data, a model that projects player performance based on age, usage, and other factors. Anybody can create a statistical model. We pay attention to those with track records, those that have worked in the past, and those that are transparent in their methods (and that we can analyze the pros and cons of).

The guys that run BPro or B-R have never played at the professional level, but I can assure you they know a hell of a lot more about how a team is most likely to win than a large percentage of NBA players. Sure, they can’t actually go out there and do it. That doesn’t make their opinions wrong.

From a player’s perspective, it’s fine to want to “put the ball in the basket.” As observers of the game, we can go a lot beyond that and still be accurate in the way we write and talk about the game.

by Rohan on Oct 31, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Where did Hollinger pick us to finish???

Where did Hollinger pick the Jazz to finish?? I ask because as I said , he doesn’t matter to me so I don’t know what he writes. Now if it is written on Atthehive , I pay attention to it!

by 3ptace on Oct 31, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Haha for sure

Hollinger picked us to win 45 and Jazz 47, I think… but that’s the thing, he rarely stands up to his projections or re-evaluates them if they’re wrong.

by Rohan on Oct 31, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

great win

One of the best wins during this and last season. simple as that.

by MZURK on Oct 31, 2010 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Bayless has been here 8 days

Id give him a little time to gel with his teammates and timezone

by mattmc89 on Oct 31, 2010 11:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Another great recap

but one (stupid?) question: why isn’t it possible to play all 12 guys against the various talented teams in the league?

by unnamed on Oct 31, 2010 11:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Sorry, didn't see this earlier

The conventional wisdom is usually the the 10ish-12th guys on the team are there more from depth than as contributing talent. Overextending the bench could easily be punished by a team with a strong second unit (6th-10th guys). So you don’t see the tail end guys except in blowouts generally.

by Rohan on Nov 3, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Guess I'm Not Bad Luck

PLUS I got Okafor’s autograph before the game. Photographical proof later.

Last night was terrific.

"You play to win the game."

by MrWayneKeller on Oct 31, 2010 12:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Hmm

If Monty is talking about getting Pondexter involved, we can only assume the Peja era has closed in New Orleans.

Forgot to mention it last night but anyone else notice now much Thornton’s defense has progressed? Guy was hustling the entire time and making the proper rotations when necessary and then getting back to his man. Only knock I still have on him is his handle. There was a 3 on 1 break where he had the ball and he passed it early to Mbenga!?! Luckily it got Ariza to the line but would like to see him make smarter, more confident decisions.

by RedHopeful on Oct 31, 2010 2:15 PM CDT reply actions  

On defense

His first defensive play, he got totally lost on a weak off-ball screen, and lost Gary Neal. Neal promptly knocked down a wide open three for his first NBA basket.* That left a bad taste in my mouth, but MT definitely picked it up from there.

Agreed on the Thornton-Mbenga break. I don’t knock MT’s handles necessarily, but I agree that his decision making can be better in those situations.

And I hope the Peja era isn’t over… watching that guy shoot the ball is just incredible. I want him around for late game situations. Obviously he has to go if a great deal comes along… but man, he’s easily one of my favorite Hornets of all time.

by Rohan on Oct 31, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Peja

 I would hope that for what he is making this season they will find a way to get shots for him.
Peja , like Ray-Ray has a well deserved reputation for knocking down the 3 , and just having him out there stretches the defense because someone has to guard him. He is also one of my favorite Hornets of all time.

by 3ptace on Oct 31, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

So unblockable too… I think since he’s been in New Orleans, his three has been blocked one time. Total. I think it was ’07, Rudy Gay blocked it in the corner, and everybody was laughing like “what just happened???”

Plus, he gives us automatic FTs at the end of games too

by Rohan on Oct 31, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keep Peja

I’d like to see Peja stay the rest of this year, and come back next year for the vets’ minimum. He still has a lot of shooting ability and is a reliable (if slow) defender. Plus, one more year of giant Peja heads!

by NOEngineer on Oct 31, 2010 3:51 PM CDT reply actions  

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