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Hornets 96, Heat 93: A Famous Win at the New Orleans Arena

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You can't ever read too much into a 5 game stretch. Barely six percent of the season has been played. Miami still hasn't gotten into its groove. Screw it. This team is good.

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I'll start off with a quick note, one that excites me more than anything else.

The 2010-2011 New Orleans Hornets were supposed to be an amazing offensive team. Basketball Prospectus thought so, our eyes and intuition told us so, and even John Hollinger probably admitted it nightly while pouring his deepest, darkest secrets into his diary. All my pre-season projections that had us winning 45 to 50 games? They assumed we'd play defense like the 2009-2010 Hornets again. Maybe it was a stupid assumption to make, but I had no reason to believe differently two weeks ago.

Five games into the season, we know better. This team is alive on defense. For the first time ever, I enjoy watching my favorite team play defense almost more than I like seeing it play offense. And for an offense that features Chris Paul, that's a tremendous statement. 

The Defense

The energy and the sharpness that characterize every defensive rotation, every fought-through screen, every close out, and every hard foul are amazing. My favorite moment from this game might have been David West's hard foul to prevent a layup in the fourth quarter. 2009 Hornet post defenders, at best, would have offered no resistance; at worst, they'd have lightly scraped the offensive player to give up the three point play.

There's something fundamentally different about the way this team approaches the defensive side of the game. Chris Paul, Trevor Ariza, and Emeka Okafor have been individually brilliant defensively. But our defense has been greater than the sum of its parts. It's why both a Dwyane Wade isolation on Marco Belinelli and a Lebron James isolation on Willie Green ended in missed fadeaway jumpers tonight. It's why Miami took 24 (!) shots from 16-23 feet, connecting on just 6 of them. For the first time in a while, players know where to be on defense, and they're executing.

The Offense

Going into the game, I mentioned that New Orleans would need to maximize its advantages at point guard and center to have a chance. Chris Paul and Emeka Okafor destroyed the Heat's PG and C positions to such a ridiculous extent that the Wade-Bosh-James trio was more than canceled out.

Emeka Okafor has probably never played such a productive, efficient game in his career. 13 rebounds. 26 points on 13 shots. His only missed field goal came on a broken-play 20-footer at the conclusion of the first quarter. Joel Anthony, Udonis Haslem, and Zydrunas Ilguaskas didn't stand a chance against him. And sure, 12-13 shooting seems flukey at a glance, but it's more a reflection of just how nonexistent Miami's interior game is. I hate the Lakers as much as the next guy, but imagining what a Gasol-Bynum-Odom trio would do to Haslem-Anthony-Z is mildly hilarious. 

Still, credit Okafor for stepping it up. He established post position all game long. I don't know that he was beaten to a single ball on the defensive glass tonight. He challenged shots, and patrolled the paint against perhaps the league's most dangerous driving team. He dominated the center position almost as easily as his teammate won the point guard battle.

Chris Paul

Chris Paul shot poorly tonight. He also finished with 19 assists against a team that may challenge the all-time defensive efficiency mark this season. Chris Paul is insanely good at basketball.

The Bench

Monty Williams went to the 10-man bench once again. For a fifth consecutive game, it worked. In a game where Dwyane Wade registered 40 minutes and LeBron James 41, Chris Paul played just 36 minutes, and David West played 28. 

I'll criticize him forever for playing Mbenga over Aaron Gray, but Monty Williams' minutes management has been nothing short of spectacular. (I realize I'm throwing a lot of superlative adjectives around, but that's what a 5-0 start gets you I guess). The star players have been extremely well-rested, and overall team performance hasn't suffered as a result. 

And how about Jason Smith? The Heat decided to leave him wide open, and he decided to make them pay. His 12 points on 10 shots and two offensive boards were critical tonight. I'd liked to have seen more Marcus Thornton (5 points on 3 shots in 10 minutes), but Willie Green again provided some solid defensive possessions. 

I'm really starting to believe that the bench success is equal parts talent and Monty's mixing and matching. 

A word on the officiating

It was poor tonight. Maybe we'll see this often during Heat games, and maybe we won't. But tonight, the refs refused to give NOLA the call in multiple instances of clear fouls. Perhaps the most egregious was Willie Green's floater in the third quarter; a defender got to the spot late, was still shuffling, and fell backwards on contact- basically the definition of a blocking foul. The ref waited to see if the ball would go in (it did) and declined to blow the whistle (because, hey, Willie Green). The Chris Paul charge call was flagrantly bad as well. Haslem got to the spot late, was still moving, and tried to take the charge after Chris Paul was well into his shot. We're fortunate indeed that the call didn't cost us the game. 

Some bullets to close:

  • Trevor Ariza drilled the dagger and generally came up firing all game long. He finished 3 for 7 from three and scored 13 points on 13 attempts. The rest of the team shot just 1 of 7 from three.
  • I don't know that I wanted anybody but David West taking those final free throws. (Other than Jannero Pargo, duh).
  • Jerry Stackhouse is a Miami Heat.
  • Miami led for exactly 9 seconds tonight.
And that's that. We get our second back-to-back of the season tomorrow night in Milwaukee. Go Hornets. 

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This team is good

I like the sound of that!

Still on cloud 9 after the win but after getting the thoughts together, I am a little surprised we didn’t see more Thornton. I can only assume he either had some defensive issues or Coach didn’t trust him to guard Wade. Really a shame because for multiple times in the 2nd half, I felt we needed a perimeter guy to knock down some shots as the guys on the floor couldn’t.

Still can’t get over how well Okafor played. This can’t be the same guy that we saw last season. Funny how a new year, a more positive outlook and a better coach (sorry Bower) can really change things.

Btw, Rohan, did you get the PG + C necessary domination from my comment in the Houston game thread? :)

After such a HUGE win, is anyone else worried about a letdown on the road? Bucks eked out a win against the Pacers tonight but should be tough at home tomorrow. Hoping Bogut sits out another game…

by RedHopeful on Nov 6, 2010 1:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Q-Pon

I noticed Q-Pon was active tonight. Too bad we didnt see him. Maybe we will get some Quincy action tommorow.

Also someone needs to disrespect Jason Smith. Everytime he does well someone talks about how it wont last, then he does well again. I cant do it since I pointed it out.

by sXe hXc AMF on Nov 6, 2010 1:08 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm having a hard time deciding if the improved play is because of

better management and coaching or different player personnel. Having a healthy Chris Paul makes everyone better also, something I would greatly attribute to Okafor’s recent surge. But even on defense Okafor looks much better. Does having two elite defenders in Paul and Ariza (I knew Ariza was good, but man he is incredible) make Okafor look better?

One thing I am afraid of is Willie Green and Trevor Ariza costing us games with bad shot selection, I saw a bit of that tonight. Also the fact that D.J. Mbenga is actually on the active roster and getting some minutes combined with Bayless looking lost (not panic mode I assure you) could be the difference between winning 55-60 games and winning 45-50.

by Nnamdi Asomugha on Nov 6, 2010 1:30 AM CDT reply actions  

One last thing

you brought up an excellent point about the Heat team in general. They can definitely be pushed around inside. If you can play halfway decent in your coverage on James, Wade, Bosh you can beat this team. Top teams like the Lakers and Celtics will be able to break this team down. You have to imagine the Heat are in a bit of a panic because they know their weakness is being exploited early. I can’t see the Heat beating either the Lakers or Celtics in an extended series.

by Nnamdi Asomugha on Nov 6, 2010 1:37 AM CDT reply actions  

A Blazers fan coming to see if...

…I missed something looking at the box score. What was it that I saw and came to see if it was commented on here? This:

Miami’s starting 5: 4 fouls total
NOLA’s starting 5: 17 fouls total

What a sad discrepancy. Glad to see the Hornets pull this one out even with the calling benefiting the Heat. Didn’t even watch the game, but I figured that something was up, and after reading Rohan’s comments, I can’t say that I’m too surprised. Enjoy your start Hornets fans! You’ve got a good team, the best pg in the nba (still amazed that some think Deron is better…please), a big X-factor in Ariza, and 2 well-loved Blazers in B-rex and Monty. May the injury bug stay away from you guys, and looking forward to our next matchup.

by Heathos33 on Nov 6, 2010 1:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Pointed out the fouls last night....

…. but thanks for mentioning it again. I have been watching a lot of y’alls games too. I pull for the Blazers now as long as it doesn’t conflict with us…Hornets first! As far as the refereeing went , I wanted to say that we had been Crawforded but the term sounded weird.

by 3ptace on Nov 6, 2010 1:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

My first post here but I have to say: This team is awesome. I knew that Ariza and Belinelli would make them a bit better but to be honest I was expecting a fight for a playoff spot until the last game. Sure, this could still happen, but for now I’m overwhelmed because we’re still undefeated and won against the ‘best team of all time’.

by StiflersMom on Nov 6, 2010 3:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Rohan!

I hope your not counting me among the band wagon fans, but may i be the one to say..

TOLD YOU SO! HAR HAR HAR

by nikkoewan on Nov 6, 2010 5:31 AM CDT reply actions  

this is

to all the naysayers that said we would be a very bad team with a very distracted CP3.

by nikkoewan on Nov 6, 2010 5:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks ATH!

Thanks for having the stones to point out the horrible officiating. I would say 80% of the defensive fouls called on the Hornets were clearly legit. They called at least 3 phantom loose-ball fouls to help the heat. The CP3 charge was a joke, and the technical after made me think that the referee was a cute name for a cat. I think Bayless had another bogus charge call after he fed a basket to a big in the 3rd.

To your point, the failure to call fouls on against the Heat was glaringly obvious. Another example is Lebron hitting Trevor’s arm on the final 3-point shot and being knocked to the ground, three feet away from Joey Crawford. Check out your DVR replay. I know I am saving mine for at least a few weeks just to enjoy it over and over and over. I’ll probably watch it tonight while CST refuses to show the best team in the league playing on the road.

by NOEngineer on Nov 6, 2010 7:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Yep

Usually cringe when ref-ing is mentioned in recaps, but probably justified tonight.

by Rohan on Nov 6, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heat fan with the Hornets being my second favorite team.

I think you sum things up well with, “This team is alive on defense. For the first time ever, I enjoy watching my favorite team play defense almost more than I like seeing it play offense. And for an offense that features Chris Paul, that’s a tremendous statement.”

The Hornets are playing as a team—passing the ball well, all the new additions have added more scoring threats, and the Oak has played like the center the Heat are missing and with all that you have to point to Monty. I give all the credit to the Hornets for beating the Heat, but I hope my Heat can get things figured out (how the offense needs to be run, get a decent center at some point, ect.)—I hate to admit it, but the term feeling out process will be around for a little while at least. The Hornets are fun to watch and y’all have a great site with a fun game thread so I may chime in from time to time. Go Hornets! win the SWest/make the playoffs.

"Jack Horner: Don't just ram it in there like that, this is not a hole in the wall pal, it's Rollergirl."

From the movie "Boggie Nights"

by mjtig on Nov 6, 2010 7:42 AM CDT reply actions  

thanks

Good luck to your Heat. They’ll probably be the most watched team this year so it will be interesting.

by MZURK on Nov 6, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just Saw on Yahoo Images

That Lil Wayne was at the game last night.

"I'm not a businessman, I'm a business, man" ~Jay-Z
"Life is such a roller coaster and then it drops, but what should I scream for this is my theme park" ~ 'Lil' Wayne

by OnPointLikeCP3 on Nov 6, 2010 8:21 AM CDT reply actions  

I think the Magic are going to get CP3 and Melo in the biggest trades since Boston got Allen and Garnett. Chris Paul is fine now. But eventually he gunna start losin….

by Nosajaco on Nov 6, 2010 9:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Astounding Win

Players played great and I give credit to Monty for looking to go to Center where the Heat are obviously vulnerable. People forget that Chris Bosh was the lead player on one of the worst defensive teams in the league last season (Hornets were also terrible on D last season, but obviously that’s another story). Anthony Joel is solid on D, but he’s a zero in other aspects of the game so he can’t be kept on the court for long and after that all they have is the tough as nails Haslam, but he’s just one player.

Likewise credit to Okafor for stepping up when his name was called. Perhaps his best game as a Hornet.

Some thoughts about the players:

CP – Playing great. He has a 6.8 AST/TO ratio after five games and he’s one of the main reasons NO is averaging a low 12.4 TOs so far. But anyway, he’s been brilliant all around. He’s averageing 2.4 steals, same as Ariza. Frankly, his off season stunt was a huge gamble. It could have easily torn the team apart. But it looks so far to be paying off. Even if we lose some games now, I think only a long losing streak of uninspiring play by NO would bring the rumors swirling back again. I thought that NO was the most vulnerable early in the season because of what happened last season and this off season, but we appear to be in the process of dodging that bullet.

DWest – I’m really rooting for David this season. He showed his all-round game last season and I’m hoping he can continue that this season. He’s shot well and finally gotten to the line a few times as well. Rebounidng’s a concern as usual, but it hasn’t been a major issue so far. Oddly, he is leading NO in Offensive Rebounds per game, but 6.6 boards overall still leaves something to be desired at PF. Still, overall he’s played well.

Okafor – I hope this game lights a bit of a fire under Okafor.

Ariza – he’s been harrying the opposing top wingmen on defense and he’s done great so far. His offense? A paltry .381 .350 .625 He also leads the team in 3-pt attempts. It would all make one grimace, but at 5-0, who cares?

Bellinelli – He’s done satisfactorily. He has a good handle and passing instincs and I’m comfortable with him as the starter.

Jason Smith – He’s been the main bigman sub off the bench and he’s played well in that role. His game and his stats are similar to Songaila’s, but he’s a bit bigger and more credible at backup center than Songaila. So far so good.

Thornton – After a shaky preseason, he’s shooting much better now. He could end up being a very potent weapon off the bench. He has just 2 TOs in 84 overall minutes of play and mistake free play is a must for a reliable bench player. He’s also rebounded ok. I still see him a bit more as a shooter than an all-round player, but we’ll see.

Willie Green – I’m sold on the guy as a backup. If you want to know why, think back to the driving dunk from the wing he did in the 2nd game off the half court. Anytime a player at his height can do that against a half court offense, he’s got something going for him. He’s a bit mediocre overall, including his shooting which is an issue for a player who naturally plays shooting guard, but really, for a backup he’s done fine. For a player who’s been asked to chip in at the point and he has just 2 TOs in 99 minutes. Quite remarkable. His court vision is pretty limited, but you don’t want your subs to give the ball away and for that limited purpose, he’s been great.

DJ Mbenga – Hasn’t made a FG yet this season but he’s got 6 blocks in 47 minutes. Solid.

Bayless – He’s played poorly, but it must have been difficult to start playing with the guys without the benefit of a training camp. Hasn’t shown that ability to get to the line yet or run the point (though he DID have 3 assists in the 4th against SA). We’ll see if he’s worth the first round draft pick, but he has some talent and he’ll get his chances at some point.

Pops – Pops is to rebounidng what DJ is to shot blocking. 6 Rebs in 19 minutes of play. Don’t think he’s capable of much else, but he’s done ok in the scarce minutes he’s received. Considering how thin we were up front last season, I don’t mind seeing a rebounding specialist at the end of the bench.

Peja – It’s too bad he’s racked up a few DNPs now, but I still think he’s the same Peja who can knock down the long J. He’s got 10 pts in 21 minutes, including 2-4 from 3s. He’s fine and probably ready to go. I fully believe Monty that it’s just been a matter of matchups and circumstances that has kept him from playing. It’s going to be a bit sad to see Peja go because, one way or another, this is his most likely his last season and he’s had some good moments for NO. I hope he’ll get some chances to knock down some smooth Js before his run is done. Still, I am a bit excited about the prospect that he might get traded for another solid player in mid season, though I’ll be sad to see him go.

Jarrells / Gray / Alexander – Hopefully Gray will get some chances to show what he can do with his improved physique. Hopefully Jarrells is learning some stuff in the practices with CP. If Monty can make a basketball player out of Alexander, that would be amazing. At a very raw physical level, Alexander is a superman.

Monty – Way too early, but I’m going to go out on a limb and say Monty could be the coach of the year. Itr’s not just the 5-0 start, but it’s just that most people other than longtime fans of the Hornets, probably don’t realize how much pressure he was under following what happened last season and, even more importantly in the offseason, with CP threatening to leave. Really, all it could have taken was a slow start and the season and Monty could have been toast. It’s amazing that he’s 5-0 under such circumstances with some really great wins under his belt— as a rookie coach trying to integrate a slew of new players around a superstar who really rocked the boat. An unenviable position.

Considering the miserable start we had last season, I have to agree with Rohan, superlatives are definitely appropriate.

We’ve got a back to back now, but go Hornets. 6-0! You can do it!

by MZURK on Nov 6, 2010 12:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh man

You should def start posting these as FanPosts haha.

I thought that NO was the most vulnerable early in the season because of what happened last season and this off season, but we appear to be in the process of dodging that bullet.

Definitely. I don’t think we’ll be out of the woods until the 20-25 game mark maybe, but couldn’t have asked for a better start.

Rebounidng’s a concern as usual, but it hasn’t been a major issue so far. Oddly, he is leading NO in Offensive Rebounds per game, but 6.6 boards overall still leaves something to be desired at PF. Still, overall he’s played well.

Offensive percentage up, defensive percentage down, overall about the same… I think we’ll be fine if he keeps up the improved defense. Can’t really expect him to change much as a rebounder since he’s been down this path for a while now..

Belinelli – He’s done satisfactorily. He has a good handle and passing instincs and I’m comfortable with him as the starter.

Belinelli’s been the biggest surprise for me so far probably. I really thought we were getting a standstill shooter, but MB has been a rather creative option at the wing. Not efficient so far, but nice to see a guy who will force the action without being out of control very often.

Willie Green – I’m sold on the guy as a backup.

Me too. If you look at what he’s done thru 5 games, it’s almost exactly his career averages. The difference between NOLA and Philly is how we’re using him- way less three attempts, way less long jumpers (which he sucks at), much lower overall offensive usage, and much higher defensive usage. Good combo dialed up by Monty for Green thus far.

DJ Mbenga – Hasn’t made a FG yet this season

Seriously? Ugh.

Peja – his is his most likely his last season and he’s had some good moments for NO. I hope he’ll get some chances to knock down some smooth Js before his run is done. Still, I am a bit excited about the prospect that he might get traded for another solid player in mid season, though I’ll be sad to see him go.

Feel the same. A three point shot like that is always valuable… interesting to see if we do move him. I dunno how much he’ll command on the open market next year, but I’m assuming definitely more than the minimum. Maybe 2-3 million range.

Jarrells / Gray / Alexander – Hopefully Gray will get some chances to show what he can do with his improved physique. Hopefully Jarrells is learning some stuff in the practices with CP. If Monty can make a basketball player out of Alexander, that would be amazing. At a very raw physical level, Alexander is a superman.

Jerrells was cut haha. And Alexander is almost a lock to be cut by January because his contract is nonguaranteed and won’t count if we cut him before the deadline. But I’ve definitely learned not to write anyone off under Monty.

by Rohan on Nov 6, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks

Thanks Rohan. I thought we had a 3rd player on the IR and that it was Jarrells. Do we have a 3rd guy in additoin to Gray and Alexander.

Agree, prospect of Alexander making it past January are very slim. Still, Monty would have to be considered as a young player development coach as much as anyone, so one never knows.

Re: Green. Just as we were getting comfortable with him, he showed a 1-9 against Milwaukee. Still, he can defend and hold on to the ball.

Overall, I agree we need to get through 20-25 games before we can say for sure that things are on the right track. Still, gotta feel pretty good about a 6-0 start. Winning streaks like this are fun, because each subsequent game becomes bigger and bigger. Success builds on itself and the players may start to relax even more with each subsequent win, letting them play (hopefully) even better.

Let’s keep fingers crossed! Cheers!

by MZURK on Nov 7, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

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