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Coaching and Offense

Offense is at once the simplest and most complex coaching attribute to analyze. Offensive numbers are easy to collect and straightforward to crunch, but it's much harder to quantify instances of over or under control of players or predictability of strategy. 

Personally, I've always valued defensive coaching over offensive coaching. The design of offensive sets and associated plays is very important, but to me, offense coaches itself to an extent. Put Chris Paul, Darren Collison, Marcus Thornton, David West, and Emeka Okafor out on the floor, and every coach in the NBA will experience offensive success. Put another way, the marginal offensive value a coach can extract out of a given unit is significantly smaller than the marginal defensive value a coach can extract. 

This is something I haven't quantified mathematically, in part because I'm not sure how I'd go about doing it. But I'd love to hear your thoughts: is defensive coaching ability inherently more valuable than offensive coaching in today's game? It's something we can kick around in the comments. 

After the jump, our old friends and their historical offenses.

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You know the drill. Efficiencies normalized to 100, standard deviation 15, magic.

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Jeff Van Gundy

Offense is, by many accounts, the solitary strike against Van Gundy. But oh what a monumentally massive strike it is.

Van Gundy's offenses, as we saw in the earlier post, are very slow. While that would have been acceptable in and of itself, his offenses are also simply putrid. A Van Gundy offense reached league average levels only one time in his eleven year coaching career (Houston '05). 

Joe Gerrity at Hornets247 listed Van Gundy as the one coach he'd avoid. I'd have to agree completely (if, for different reasons). Van Gundy is the big name everyone wants to lure back into the coaching ranks. But the more we delve into his career, the stranger it seems. I definitely don't want Van Gundy designing plays for the Collison/Thornton/CP3 back-court. He's the ultimate brand-name coach, and I'm glad New Orleans has yet to interview him.

Fratello and Collins, Casey and Frank

Both the old coaches, notorious for slow pace, have actually helmed reasonably efficient offenses over the years. Obviously, Fratello's and Collins' career adjusted efficiencies of 101 and 103.5 imply that they've hovered right at league average. To be honest though, that's much higher than I was expecting. 

Dwane Casey again struggles in his 1.5 seasons with Minnesota, but this time he doesn't have John Hollinger's words to back him up, as he did for his defense. It should be noted yet again, however, that Casey was coaching Minnesota, so it's not like he was wading in talent or anything. The inefficiency of Lawrence Frank's offenses comes as a surprise to me. For whatever reason, I always assumed he carried over the successes of the early 2000's Nets into his tenure. But, as the adjusted offensive and defensive efficiency charts show us, the Nets featured slow, defensive, and poor offensive teams under Frank. I just don't feel like that's the direction the Hornets want to head toward. 

Avery Johnson

And again, AJ comes through with flying colors. There's nothing I can really say that's not encapsulated fully by that chart. Scroll up for a second and come back down, I'll wait. 

Yes, Johnson definitely had the most offensively talented teams of any of the coaches on that chart. But he never had the opportunity to deal with inferior players either, and it seems silly to hold that against him. The chart does not definitively say that Avery is much, much better than the other coaches at designing offenses. It does say that the other coaches have overseen either bad (JVG, Frank) or mediocre (the Czar, Collins) offenses, and that given talent, Avery Johnson coached one of the NBA's most successful offenses. The Hornets, without a doubt, will have talented offensive players under contract next season.

If New Orleans is indeed looking for someone with prior head coaching success, the choice is pretty clear at this point. I'll go over player development tomorrow, but this is Avery's race to lose.

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Please for the love of God

MAKE AVERY JOHNSON OUR HEAD COACH! He’s perfect for this job! It will sell tickets and make us a better team. Get it done!

This draft screams Dynasty. If that's the case, then I say, let the Saints Reign begin!

by LocoSaint on May 10, 2010 6:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Really?

Is he a better option than Thibodeau? And do people really buy NBA tickets to see a coach? I’m not saying Avery is a bad option, but I don’t think it would be particularly dreadful if we hired somebody else.

by Brian Ball on May 10, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably Thibodeau

I tend to agree with analysts that claim that coaches have limited impact on offense but can make a big impact on defense. I’m not saying Avery Johnson is a bad defensive coach, but Thibodeau has put together three of the best defenses ever. Obviously, Thibodeau is from the North, and Avery Johnson is a New Orleans native. But I’m not sure we should just pick the native over a guy who appears to be a defensive mastermind.

by Brian Ball on May 10, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Thibodeau too

I’m hoping the overall gist of the last three posts (offense, defense, pace) is that there’s substantial reason to hire Johnson for reasons other than his hometown.

Which analysts have you seen saying that (defense/offense impact)? I’d be interested in seeing that, since it’s basically what I’ve been saying but have been too lazy to do actual research on.

by Rohan on May 10, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's in Stumbling on Wins

It’s a book by some sports economists. They see a significant correlation between specific coaches and defensive efficiency, but specific coaches and offensive efficiency are generally random. If I recall correctly, Phil Jackson was an exception on offensive efficiency – his teams consistently had above-average offensive efficiencies. Although I’m pretty sure the vast majority of coaches could make the Bulls and Lakers offensive juggernauts.

by Brian Ball on May 10, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah

Don’t know how I missed that chapter.

Also, I doubt JVG could make either the Bulls or Lakers good at offense. I find it hilarious how much people want him with no real rationale other than (a) he’s funny, (b) they have some vague recollection of him being an awesome coach even though his offenses sucked and his d-coordinator was TT.

by Rohan on May 10, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoops

Just checked; it’s not in Stumbling on Wins. It’s something from Basketball on Paper that was far less scientific than I remembered. So I think it’s still just a hunch that coaches mainly matter on the defensive side.

by Brian Ball on May 10, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know

Jordan/Pippen, Shaq/Kobe, Kobe/Gasol… you’d think offenses built around those guys would come out top 10 even with a poor offensive coach, but maybe not… Van Gundy did have Yao Ming and T-Mac at one point.

Anyway… I think people think of him as a great defensive coach, forgetting or simply not realizing that JVG was assisted by Thibodeau.

by Caleb462 on May 10, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

To be honest, I would’ve liked JVG as recently as a week ago before I looked into it in any depth. I think he will definitely be the preference of large parts of the fanbase (HR seems to love him and despise AJ) and he’d be the splashiest hire too.

by Rohan on May 10, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

A lot of people seem to have a kneejerk “but he’s the guy the Hornets got fired” response to Avery, which I kind of understand… I mean sure its a little weird.

But my question is this – what exactly did Avery do wrong in that series? That Mavs team was just outmatched. The Hornets were better on both ends of the floor that season, and they had no one who could even hope to slow down Paul. And as we’ve seen over the past couple of seasons since that series, that Mavs roster just doesn’t seem to match up particularly well with the Hornets.

by Caleb462 on May 11, 2010 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

True that

I guess people will point to the Mavs series too though (where Cuban allegedly made him play smaller lineups)

by Rohan on May 11, 2010 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I don't the coach we hire will really have much effect on ticket sales.

And I would definitely support the Thibodeau hire. For me… its Avery or Thibodeau. I don’t particularly like any of the other candidates. Although the only one I would absolutely freak out about would be Mark Jackson…

by Caleb462 on May 10, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

One thing that would be interesting to see

is the impact Marcus Thornton has had on sales. Maybe someone knows how season tix sales were before/after the draft, etc? I’d assume that Thornton, being a hugely popular guy from LSU, would fuel far more ticket sales than Johnson, right?

And I agree on Jackson. That would be absolutely horratrocious.

by Rohan on May 10, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha Jackson

If the Hornets hire Jackson, it’d be the worst disaster to hit New Orleans in the last several decades.

by Brian Ball on May 10, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tremendous analysis, as always.

At this point I’d prefer Thibodeau (especially after watching what his defense did to LeBron James tonight) over Johnson because, as you said, roll out our starters and we’re guaranteed a decent offense, and Thibodeau almost certainly guarantees a great defense.

I don’t know the first thing about teams quitting on Avery, but here’s something I do know: if I listen to his voice long enough my eyes will bulge and eventually explode, like Arnold Schwarzenegger when exposed to the atmosphere of the planet Mars.

Also, when looking for portmanteaus to describe the possible hiring of Mark Jackson, I prefer “dishumiliarrassment.”

by Walter FTW on May 11, 2010 10:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Thank you, thank you

Haha it’s funny that you mention Avery’s voice… I was just reading an interview with Devin Harris today where he said he loved AJ’s voice and hopes he can hear it next season on the sidelines.

To each his own I guess, but I’m have to side with you here.

by Rohan on May 12, 2010 4:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

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