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Staturday: A Reminder That Chris Paul is Very Good at Basketball

You might have noticed that things have been getting a little more structured around here. There's the link and news roundups, the whole daily posting thing, etc. The idea is that with great structure comes great readability. Or something.

So swimming down that same river (alternatively: spilling that same oil), Saturday and Sunday will be granted their own themes, at least till the beginning of the season. Last Sunday, we had a good debate in the comments re: Thibodeau vs. Williams. It's nice to get y'alls takes in the comments, so we'll keep that up every week with a 'Sunday Debate' subject. (Wall or Turner? Gray or Diogu? Gumbo or Jambalaya? The possibilities are endless!)

And as the title of this post would indicate, Saturdays will focus on statistical analysis. The series is inspired in part by Athletics Nation's "Staturday series", which ran for about a year. We'll look at Hornet players as well as the NBA and The Game of BasketballTM  at large. 

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We'll start off nice and easy in this inaugural edition. Subsequent Staturdays will likely include more hard-hitting analysis (such as this). But for today, amidst all the Rajon Rondo/Steve Nash/Derek Fisher hype, let us pause and take a moment to acknowledge the resplendent magnificence of Chris Paul.

Yesterday, I ran across this automated Wins Produced tool, the first I've seen of its kind. Agree or disagree with WP's methodologies, every catch-all statistic necessarily exists on a sort of spectrum. Each fits on one some side of the spectrum, and as that spectrum fills out, we have a broader basis of comparison for each methodology. There's no perfect catch-all stat, and the more we have to play with and discuss, the better off our understanding of the sport. 

The following table lists 2009-2010 point guards, their minutes played, their total Wins Produced, and total Win Shares, a measure combining a player's usage and efficiency. The table is sortable by clicking on column headers (thanks to Matthew at Lookout Landing for the magic). 

Player

Games Played

Wins (WP)

Win Shares

Deron Williams

76

14.8

10.3

Steve Nash

81

16.2

9.9

Rajon Rondo

81

17.9

9.6

Chauncey Billups

73

10.3

9.5

Jason Kidd

80

20.9

8.9

Chris Paul

45

12.1

7.3

Andre Miller

82

8.1

7.0

Raymond Felton

80

9.5

6.5

Russell Westbrook

82

9.5

6.1

Derrick Rose

78

6.8

6.0

Any way you look at it, that table is completely wild. Chris Paul sat out 37 games this year, saw his production drop off drastically from 2007-2009 even when he did play, and yet finished 5th or 6th in the league, depending on who you trust, in total point guard production. This isn't per minute, per game, per anything. This is straight madness.

It's also funny to see the league leader in Win Shares (Deron Williams) post a 10.3 total. That's the lowest total by a point guard league leader since 1981 and is downright minuscule compared to Chris Paul's 18.3 and 17.8 totals of the last two years. 

Rajon Rondo will get plenty more plaudits from the Mark Jackson/Charles Barkley types when the Finals start Thursday. And it really is well deserved as he's developed into a fantastic point guard, out from under the shadow of the Boston's big three. Deron Williams got his fair share of the hype, leading Utah into the postseason and past Denver. Nash is Nash, always one of the league's most fun players to watch.

All three would be wise to soak up all the "best point guard on the planet" adulation they can find this summer. Come November, #3 returns. 

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It’s pissing me off. A friend of mine while we were shooting around yesterday stated that, “Steve Nash is the best point guard in the league.” Now I do love Nash, he’s a funny guy and I love how he plays (as compared to others). But to say he’s the best based on where his team is, is well downright awful.

It’s easy to say, “oh look the Suns are taking the Lakers to 6 games in WCF’s therefore he is the best in the league!”

But that’s pure stupidity.

If we are discussing an individual title (Best PG in the league). Then the measure’s of that should be just that, individual.

I think MVP, Best player in the world somewhat falls under that category but one can argue that MVP has something to do with how his team is doing because its based upon “value.”

But it’s simple, Chris Paul IS the best PG in the league. Everyone just seems to be forgetting that because he was injured for half the season.

I think people need to remember that going into that Chicago game the Hornets were in the 6th seeds heading up. I truly believe had CP been healthy for the rest of the year the team would’ve gotten the 4th seed and Chris would’ve remained the league’s best point guard.

Who know’s Emeka might’ve improved, the defense too. I just hate how everyone neglects CP based on one injury plauged season.

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by Grayson on May 29, 2010 4:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Rondo really isnt as goog as people say he is

id take Collison over Rondo in a heartbeat

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by jamesyyyboyyy on May 29, 2010 12:34 PM CDT reply actions  

no its not

Collison is better than Rondo at everything except maby defence

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by jamesyyyboyyy on May 29, 2010 4:09 PM CDT reply actions  

The reason why people think Rondo is so good is because the media is obsessed with him

I’ve watched a lot of Collisons games and a lot of Rondos games and from what ive seen Collison is better

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by jamesyyyboyyy on May 29, 2010 4:27 PM CDT reply actions  

I laughed at first, it’s a little closer than I thought, but Rondo is easily the better player.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=rondora01&y1=2010&p2=collida01&y2=2010

Collison as a rookie was better than Rondo as a rookie (and arguably Rondo as a sophomore), but Rondo has definitely developed into a top 5 point guard now that he’s in his 4th year.

by Rohan on May 29, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok but ask yourself this

what is Rondo better than Collison at? hes not a better shooter, hes not faster, hes not a better rebounder either. And also Rondo just started playing good in the playoffs he hasnt always been this good.

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by jamesyyyboyyy on May 29, 2010 5:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Check that link I posted

Rondo’s a better passer, a better rebounder, and a way better defender. And by many measures, Rondo was actually better during the regular season during the playoffs.

Also, could you use the reply function your responses (click on the +reply at the bottom of a comment)? It makes this a lot easier to follow and for other people to jump in. Thanks.

by Rohan on May 29, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok

but i just really dont like Rondo, i think hes overrated kinda like Ron Artest

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by jamesyyyboyyy on May 29, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

I’m right there with ya, I got your back on Artest bashing all day long.

by Rohan on May 29, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

rondo

totally agree. rondo is so VOMITS i hate him to the core. i hate boston to the core(except maybe ray allen and shelden williams).. i hate it when people say “Rondo is the best PG in the league” CMON!!

by nikkoewan on May 30, 2010 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh BTW

good work atthehive! i missed this site so much :))

by nikkoewan on May 30, 2010 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

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