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Sunday Discussion: Blogging Integrity

Sorry for the late Discussion topic; feel free to carry over this discussion into Monday (around the next Approval Rating).

I'm not sure how many of you have seen the emerging Pension Plan Puppets-Toronto Sun story.

A quick summary:

The story itself is pretty nuanced. There's a question of PPP breaking international copyright law by re-publishing an entire story in a different language without consent from the original authors (though I doubt the original authors would care, and if they're breaking a law, it's an archaic one). There's a question of the Toronto Sun's rather blatant plagiarism (though the Sun likely isn't breaking any copyright laws by simply providing stolen excerpts). And there's the continuing issue of the blogosphere's relationship with mainstream media. 

I guess relevant topics include: do you get news from blogs, newspapers, newspaper websites, or all three? Do you consciously differentiate between what sources you are reading? What steps do you see as most critical for blogging to reach MSM-level credibility- access? better writing? time? 

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I like the bloggers view because it is usually ran by a fan who is not going to pull punches when there is something they do not like. They have no access to lose, so they are not afraid to speak their mind.

They also have a segmented audience and can write to that audience instead of a larger audience (which I prefer).

Honestly, I have not read a column by a newspaper writer in years. I prefer the writing style many blogs have over the newspaper writers. I think it will just take some time before blogs are more accepted, although the fact that they don’t have to answer to anyone and can throw out outlandish rumors without a shred of truth does not help their case though.

by JoshuaR on Aug 22, 2010 7:25 PM CDT reply actions  

That's the other thing

There appear to be at least two “levels” of blogging. There are some great sports blogs (all of SBNation, for example) that don’t necessarily have access, but that also won’t through out rumors, etc. They’re journalistically credible. Then, there are others that engage in nothing but rumor mongering at times. For now, MSM and others seem to lump the two (painting in broad strokes) together

by Rohan on Aug 22, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I read something over at Blueshirt Banter (the New York Rangers blog at SBN) and it discusses the issue very well. It’s sad that mainstream media outlets don’t give bloggers respect. Some do, (like AtlantaFalcons.com’s interaction with the various blog’s across the web), but most don’t and this Toronto Sun incident is a perfect example of the relationship between the two media forms.

Whether they (Mainstream) choose to believe it or not, Weblogging is fast becoming the new form of Sports information. If they choose to ignore it then newspapers and such will become completly obsolete. Twitter, Facebook, these sites all point to how people choose to get their news and communicate, and if that isn’t an indication then I don’t know what is.

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by Grayson on Aug 22, 2010 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah

Though I think some newspaper outlets do realize it and are desperately trying to jump aboard the Twitter/FB/etc bandwagon now. I guess one of the problems is there clearly appears to be less money in online journalism than there was in newspapers at their prime.

by Rohan on Aug 22, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yea that's very true

It’s hard to make money out of blogging, the only form of income is advertising. It’s sad but most things on the ’net are free…

Also I have accepted the gig over Swarm and Sting to be their lead blogger. Just to let everyone know. I’m really excited about it, so in your daily routine of checking all things Hornets it’d be nice if some popped in and said “hi” haha. I’ll still comment here from time to time though.

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by Grayson on Aug 22, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

A big problem seems to be this massive adversarial nature between blogs and papers

That is silly. Each is clawing over an increasingly unprofitable business. To be honest, they should work together. I am of the opinion that blogs tend to churn out better analysis than the MSM, but that the reporting that the MSM provides, though flawed, is totally crucial.

The other problem is that blogs tend to be more flash-in-the-pan, some are good for a couple of months or a year or two and then die away as the people who run them move on. You don’t have that problem with the St. Petersburg Times – they’re pretty much the same year in, year out. So it takes a lot of vigilance and hard work to find quality blogs churning out quality posts.

Finally, I think that the MSM and blogs should work together more. The blogs give cheap content (something papers always want) that happens to be pretty high-quality. And the MSM can provide the best advertising for these blogs, since they reach so many people.

by Brian Ball on Aug 22, 2010 8:16 PM CDT reply actions  

I Think It Goes Both Ways

In my opinion, they both kind of need the other to survive. I prefer blogging because I enjoy the human aspect behind the reporting and, let’s face it, as a media member you focus on so much that you’re not as intelligent on a topic as you probably should be. Bloggers tend to stick to a sport, or to a team, etc. As a member of the media, you may know everything about the Lakers and Celtics but you don’t know much about the Hornets, which is what made reading reports about this offseason all the more irritating.

However, if the media didn’t report anything, bloggers would be left with nothing to talk about. The way I see it, 75% of what bloggers do is disect original media reports. They kind of need eachother to work. But, personally, I prefer the blogging.

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by MrWayneKeller on Aug 23, 2010 12:28 PM CDT reply actions  

If you will pardon a comment from an Orlando Magic fan

Orlando seems to have struck a nice balance with the Sentinel, the Magic organization, the SB Nation’s Orlando Pinstriped Post and TrueHoops MagicBasketball.net (and other blogs, etc.). Each will link to the others articles and analysis and tend to be very complimentary of each other. Obviously the credibility and quality of the blog’s content has made them a good resource for the paper.

Hopefully this type of relationship will become more widespread and make a better world for us fans.

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by NC Magic Fan on Aug 26, 2010 2:54 PM CDT reply actions  

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