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Staturday: The Evolution of Darren Collison's Trade Value

Via Mike Wells of the IndyStar, we learned yesterday that while "the Pacers are not resting or relaxing until they find a veteran point guard," they've been told by New Orleans and San Antonio that Darren Collison and George Hill, respectively, are not available. While that may be a little surprising, it probably makes sense given all the rumors flying around Chris Paul this summer.

It's been my position for a while that Collison's current market value is a little bit higher than his actual value. Now that we know the details of the first concrete Collison offer, we can go back and re-evaluate that notion.

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Darren Collison, you will all remember, started as a 21st overall pick. There was some chatter that New Orleans would consider drafting Marcus Thornton at that slot, but eventually Dimes was the selection. As people are so fond of saying these days, the draft is a crapshoot once you get into the high teens and twenties. Referring back to this post in June, we know that Collison's initial value (by virtue of being selected 21st) was an estimated 7.3 win shares over his first four seasons.

That works out to 1.82 win shares a season. To provide a frame of reference, Ryan Bowen produced 1.5 win shares in 2008 and Darius Songaila 1.3 in 2010. So let's mark that down as "scrub-ish player that kinda played a role and that we all sort of enjoyed seeing perform scrub-ly duties." That's the sort of player you're almost hoping for with the 21st overall pick. It's not what we got in Collison. 

In 2009-2010, Collison posted 2.9 win shares over just 2109 minutes. If we extend his time on the court to what the average starting point guard in the NBA might play- let's eyeball it at 2500 minutes or ~30 minutes a game- we arrive at 3.4 win shares over a full season. Essentially, Collison outperformed his average draft spot by almost an entire 100%. The four year projection for a 21st pick of 7.3 win shares would be blown away by Collison if he started for four years at 13.6 win shares. And that's assuming no improvement or regression. There's a very real chance Collison could become a 15-20 win share (4 year sum) kind of guy by 2014.*

NewOrleans.com (which has really stepped up its coverage as of late) reported on Thursday that the Pacers had offered the 10th overall pick of the 2010 draft (eventually used on Paul George) for Collison. Again, referring back to the June Staturday, that pick would have an estimated value of 12.0 win shares over a rookie's first four years under contract. If only there was a way to visualize this..

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MS Paint, truly the most extraordinary invention of Homo Sapiens Sapiens

So there we are. Unless Danny Granger is involved, it doesn't make much sense for New Orleans to move Collison to Indiana. And it doesn't make much sense for Indiana to move Granger anywhere really, considering that Granger is essentially their (much better) version of Collison. Danny Boy (sorry, MS Paint apparently gets you higher than real life paint) was picked 17th overall. 17th picks project out to 8.7 win shares over their first four years. Granger in his first four seasons? 26.9. He is fantastic, and as much as overzealous Hornet people would like to sell the "but look, Paul George is the exact same player! Potential All-Stars are way cooler than Real All Stars!" angle, I don't see it happening. 

But anyways, it appears New Orleans has been wise to sit on offers for Dimes for now (assuming nobody else was offering much more than Indy). I still think Collison's being slightly overvalued at as a 3.75ish win share player (15 WS to keep consistent with the... infographic), and there's always the chance he regresses as a player in 2010-2011. Either way, Dimes has come a long way and hopefully continues his meteoric rise in a Hornets jersey. Failing that, here's to hoping we rip someone off. 

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*If Collison can produce 15 win shares in four seasons (pretending that he’s a full time starter in all of them and pro-rating his numbers), we’d all be very, very pleased. In a completely unrelated note, in 2008-2009, Chris Paul produced 18.3 win shares. True story.

by Rohan on Aug 7, 2010 2:01 AM CDT reply actions  

isn't the WHOLE reason...

we drafted DC was to help save CP’s legs so he didnt have to play 40 mins a night?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qais_eGMnWk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39GH-nzrY_I&feature=relatde

by tlsk1066 on Aug 7, 2010 2:12 AM CDT reply actions  

I guess

But if the team could move him for someone of Granger’s ability that’s (a) better than Dimes and (b) entice CP to stay, then I’d say that would be a net positive.

by Rohan on Aug 7, 2010 2:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

People talk about the Lakers 3 man big rotation

As a key to their championship. Maybe the Hornets could have the three-guard rotation equivilent. It’ll be interesting the see but I truly believe the front office will not shake anything up until late December and towards the trade deadline. Reason being is that they want to see what they have when the team is fully healthy. The teams performance really dictates what direction we go in and to be honust it’s a great strategy.

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by Grayson on Aug 7, 2010 2:34 AM CDT reply actions  

I do like collison but...

I a do not think we would be able to win much with the three guard system unless we got a great defensive center to help on defense. Collison is good but i wouldnt include him into a trade unless we get a star back for him, id rather trade peja and maybe our trade exception for good player. lets hope peja is healthy and his value goes up before the deadline, and hope our picks play out like last years

by sd3 on Aug 7, 2010 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

As of right now...

the Hornets have 3 guards. Wow.

by QueenBee on Aug 7, 2010 10:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Agree

Rohan, nice post. I agree with you that currently Collison’s perceived value may be higher than it really is. I think some people may see him as a starting quality point guard, but it’s not completely settled that he is that.

I think moving Collison + Peja for a good player would be a good deal to go after. If something like that appeared, I think we should pull the trigger.

Unfortunately, it’s a bit complicated now with the CP issues.

Still, when everything is said and done, I think Bower struck gold with this pick.

by MZURK on Aug 8, 2010 11:24 PM CDT reply actions  

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