On Trading Chris Paul
The summer of 2010 was the first time most of us seriously considered the possibility of Chris Paul leaving New Orleans. The years leading to it -- starting with the rise of the team from Oklahoma City and building into the peak of the 2008 playoffs -- had been punctuated with the failures of 2009 and 2010, but for various reasons, both seasons seemed surmountable roadblocks, not permanent dead ends.
In a flurry, that whole paradigm fell apart. The Hornets' dire financial situation was leaked, a murky ownership situation arose, and the Miami Heat and eventually New York Knicks ushered in a new era of superteams. Suddenly, Chris Paul's departure went from a distant possibility to, depending on who was doing the reporting, an imminent likelihood. Trade "demand" isn't the right word for his rumored displeasure last summer, but the fact remains that his camp wanted it to be publicly known that if the Hornets didn't right the ship, he was ready to leap off of it. That it wasn't an outright ultimatum coupled with the fact that New Orleans still held strong leverage allowed us, as Hornets fans, to largely ignore the drama last year. The toast, Ken Berger's infamous "list," and the LRMRLOLRM transfer were merely reminders that some tough decisions lay in the future.
That future is, of course, now -- 6 months separates us from what could potentially be Chris Paul's final game as a Hornet. Last year, it made sense to ignore the process because it was a needless distraction. This season, with free agency unofficially opening today, it's something we have to discuss because the future of the franchise depends on the future of Chris Paul.
Let's start with the basics. Chris Paul has two years left on his current contract. The Hornets will pay him a prorated amount portion of his $16.3M deal for the 2011-2012 season. On July 1st, 2012, Paul can opt out of the 2012-2013 season (for which he'd be guaranteed $17.9M), and will, almost without a doubt, do so. And this, of course, is where the fun, or if you'd prefer a more negative, unprintable term here that's fine too, begins. Chris Paul faces a multitude of options to both exit and stay in New Orleans, beginning with the extend and trade.
The extend and trade was the tool Carmelo Anthony used to eventually force his way out of Denver and to New York. The problem is that the new CBA limits deals under extend-and-trades to three year maximums. So if a Knicks-Hornets trade were to happen now, Paul would only be guaranteed in New York through 2014; for a guy that's gone through what he has in terms of injuries, that's not a long time at all.
The sign and trade, which saw Chris Bosh and LeBron James arrive in Miami from Toronto and Cleveland, has also been tweaked. Sign and trade deals max out at four year contracts (six with the old CBA), with a cut in annual raise percentage. The combination of changes on the extend and trade and sign and trade laws means that the New York Knicks have nearly a zero percent chance of acquiring Chris Paul. The team has zero assets outside of Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire, so the Hornets shouldn't think twice about engaging them in trade talks; if Chris Paul were to opt out of his Hornets' 2012-2013 season and sign a new deal with the Knicks, he'd leave the $17.9M from next year on the table as well as an entire extra year that the Hornets can offer him (through owning his bird rights since he's been with the team for so long) that the Knicks cannot. Toss in the difference in annual raises the Hornets can offer, and Chris Paul would be giving away $40M to play with Anthony, Stoudemire, and, for lack of a better word, scrubs.
Reporters can talk all they want about how Chris Paul's first choice is the Knicks. The reality is that if Chris Paul tells the Hornets to trade him to the Knicks during the season or he's walking in the summer, Dell Demps and Co. can call his bluff with ease. And on top of that, they have zero incentive to negotiate with the Knicks at all. The CBA prevents Amar'e or Melo from restructuring their deals, so if you've had recurring nightmares of Paul playing out his days in Madison Square Garden, rest easy. The Knicks' trade for Anthony -- where they gave away literally every asset they had -- ensured that Paul couldn't ever become a Knick.
Of course, the Knicks aren't the only team chasing him. Boston has already reportedly offered Rajon Rondo for Paul and been denied. On the surface, Boston has very similar problems to New York, but they're also in a slightly better position. At the end of this season, both Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen come off their books, and the team has just three players (Pierce, Rondo, Bradley) and $30M committed. The salary cap will stay the same next year by definition of the new CBA at $58. If the team can find a way to move Rondo this year, they could conceivably have $39M to split between Paul, Ray Allen, and Kevin Garnett. Assuming a max deal to Paul, that still leaves open the possibility of signing one of Allen and Garnett to another big deal, or working out lesser money to both guys for an opportunity to have a legitimate Big 4, at least for a couple seasons. And Chris Paul could also conceivably be traded there since the Celtics have a player asset in Rondo and expiring deals.
From Boston we next go to Los Angeles, and specifically, the bandwagon half. Of the three teams discussed already -- Knicks, Celtics, Lakers -- the Lakers are in far and away the worst cap position for 2012 summer; depending on whether they renounce Lamar Odom in the summer, they have between $80M and $85M already committed. Amnestying Metta World Peace could bring the figure into the low $70M, but unless they move guys like Gasol and Bynum for expiring deals during the 2011-2012 season and clear out the roster completely, there's simply no way Chris Paul signs there as a free agent.
The flip side of the Lakers' cap situation is, of course, the fact that the recipients of said cap space are also valuable assets. Odom's a skilled player that can also double as an expiring deal since his 2012-2013 contract isn't fully guaranteed. Andrew Bynum is one of the league's most skilled centers, injuries notwithstanding, and he's still only 23. Pau Gasol definitely has a couple All-Star caliber seasons left, and his is a basketball skillset that will age well. The point is that the Lakers definitely have pieces they can move for either Chris Paul or Dwight Howard, and as some have pointed out, it's actually possible they could get both. Well done, new CBA.
But before Lakers fans start celebrating, the Hornets' most likely trading partner is the team that plays in the same building. The Clippers have a bundle of assets - (a) a big expiring in Kaman, (b) Minnesota's unprotected 2012 draft pick in a very strong draft class, (c) Eric Gordon, whose combination of offensive efficiency and usage in 2010-2011 before turning 23 have been matched this decade by LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, Chris Bosh, Gilbert Arenas, and Tracy McGrady, and (d) extra pieces like Al-Farouq Aminu and DeAndre Jordan. The Clippers are also reportedly on Chris Paul's wishlist, and while they would be able to afford him over the summer, they'd almost certainly do a midseason trade to ensure that he's paired with Blake Griffin.
Basically? If the Hornets have decided that they're moving Paul midseason full stop, the Clippers have to be the choice, among those four teams. Further contenders (with better assets) may eventually emerge, but among the teams expressing strong interest at the moment, the Clips are the pick.
Of course, this is all jumping the gun tremendously. The lockout hasn't even officially been lifted yet. And the real correct answer, at least in this corner, is none of the above. We don't know that Chris Paul wants to leave New Orleans, and it's not naive in the slightest to point out that he has genuine roots in the city. As lsuhornet17 has noted on more than one occasion, it's telling that Paul chose to swing his leg of the Homecoming Celebrity Game Tour (with LeBron, Melo, and Wade hosting in their hometowns of Akron, Brooklyn, and Chicago) through New Orleans and not North Carolina. And it's why, for now at least, the real answer for the Hornets should be this - power through the upcoming free agency, allow Dell Demps to put together the best possible roster he can with an eye towards long term growth and not just Paul's immediate future, play out the season, and see where the cards fall come June. Paul's presence on the team is a huge, huge selling point for potential new ownership as well, a point that can't be forgotten in all the commotion.
If Chris Paul has a healthy, productive year, the Hornets, as a team, will also have had a good year. At that point, the team can offer him significantly more money than any other franchise in the league. The Hornets will also get a good look at the health of his legs and a better evaluation of his future. As impressive as Paul's 2011 playoffs were, the regular season raised many difficult questions which a single (if incredibly elite) series simply cannot erase. If Paul does choose to pass on the Hornets' money in the summer, all power to him. The team gets him off the books and is afforded a fresh start with a GM who did a solid job in his first full season.
It's important not to give into the scary "but we could lose him for nothing!" line. The odds of getting equal value in a superstar trade in the NBA are next to zero, and unless a player with future superstar value is incoming (I'd consider Gordon borderline on this criterion; he could possibly be the second best 2-guard in the NBA behind Wade as early as next season) it's better to start from scratch than be caught in the middling good-but-not-great purgatory that afflicts so many teams.
It's also equally important not to write off Paul's chances of staying with the Hornets, as many national writers have already done. Indeed, Paul's theoretical "first choice" -- the New York Knicks -- is off the table entirely. Would Paul accept a trade to a team outside of the "big four" above? Are the Clippers, given their history, actually an option? There are far too many unanswered questions to definitively state that Paul should or should not be traded this season. Chris Paul playing out a full season may not only be a realistic option, it may just be the best one.
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Great article
My conclusion is that the national media wants Paul to leave New Orleans for a market like New York, just like the media wants all NBA finals to include 2 teams from major media markets. CP3 is the same guy who stayed in W-S to attend Wake because of his roots, and I think if the Hornets management can make him a fair financial offer and the promise of at least the opportunity to compete for advancing in the playoffs by adding a few pieces to the team, he will strongly consider the option of staying.
Rondo for Paul is a joke. Aminu and Gordon for Paul would be intriguing (if for no other reason than to see Paul hoist up endless alley-oops to Blake Griffin).
"I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it." Groucho Marx
Awesome Work
I’ve always maintained that you try to win when you have a once in a lifetime type player and never trade. It’s better to have hin walj away, take the cap space, let the bottom fall out and take the lottery picks than lock up the 4-6 seed for the near future. If the team still had Collison, the Clippers trade would be incredibly intriguing but, even with them as the best option, it’s not something I’d jump all over.
"You play to win the game."
by MrWayneKeller on Nov 30, 2011 10:53 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Clippers fan here..
First, I can only imagine what the Hornets fan base must be feeling right now – the Clippers have never had a legitimate superstar before Blake Griffin and I know I would weep bitterly with snot coming out of my nose if he left Clipperland someday.
With that said, I just had a simple question for you – if you could only have the Minny pick or Eric Gordon in addition to say, Chris Kaman…which would you prefer?
And Bledsoe. And maybe Aminu.
It’s impossible to get equal value for a top 5 player.
"I'm not a businessman, I'm a business, man" ~Jay-Z
CP3 is coming. Quick, hide your Howards!
"Sleeping on me probably in the coffin" - Tyga
Shoutout RALLY SQUIRREL!!!!!!!!!!
by OnPointLikeCP3 on Nov 30, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
gordon definitely
minny’s pick could be out of the top 10, and even so, gordon’s current value is that of a 1 or 2 pick (on average)
Great Article
Thanks, really informative and right on point!!!!!
@ banandy- to answer your question I would take Gordon over the pick because he is proven, but a more honest answer would be all of the above
by Downtowndave78 on Nov 30, 2011 11:37 AM CST reply actions
thanks, yeah it looks like the Clippers are trying to pull a Miami and get both CP3 and Dwight...
presumably Minny pick as the main trade asset for one trade, and Eric Gordon as the main trade asset for the other…hands down, Clipper fans would prefer CP3.
you would be rebuiliding pretty quickly
If you manage to get both the pick and EJ you will be rebuilding really fast, not to mention Kaman who you could probably trade for an additional pick, that’s a top 5 SG, a top pick in a loaded draft, an extra pick and your own that may be lottery. That being said i expect Olshey to draw the line at the pick or Gordon and add Bledsoe or Aminu.
by XXDC2XX on Nov 30, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Imminent
I read a few articles today and they all seem to be saying that the trade is inevitable and would be before the start of the season. Anyone buying this? Sad to say, but it seems pretty inevitable to me too. Wish Demps kept MT5 and Collison….
We shall see...
Adrian Wojo of Yahoo Sports (NBA) is a tool however who has the accuracy rating of your basic weatherman. There are a lot of possibilities
"I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it." Groucho Marx
by BenDerDonDat on Nov 30, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
If Demps is going to trade him
I hope he just gets it over real quick and doesn’t drag it out like the Carmelo trade. And I hope it isn’t for Westbrook or Rondo…
by njennings on Nov 30, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Those two are way overrated
but it would be fun to see CP and Durant team up. Two of the coolest guys in the NBA, annd not GLOREE BOYZ like those scalawags in Miami.
"I'm not a businessman, I'm a business, man" ~Jay-Z
CP3 is coming. Quick, hide your Howards!
"Sleeping on me probably in the coffin" - Tyga
Shoutout RALLY SQUIRREL!!!!!!!!!!
by OnPointLikeCP3 on Nov 30, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
I'm selling. We should at
least see how the season goes before we trade CP. If we’re at or below .500 at the deadline, I say trade him to the Clips, if we’re a top 4 team in the West, see how it plays out.
"I'm not a businessman, I'm a business, man" ~Jay-Z
CP3 is coming. Quick, hide your Howards!
"Sleeping on me probably in the coffin" - Tyga
Shoutout RALLY SQUIRREL!!!!!!!!!!
by OnPointLikeCP3 on Nov 30, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
+1
Basically? If the Hornets have decided that they’re moving Paul midseason full stop, the Clippers have to be the choice, among those four teams
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Nov 30, 2011 1:23 PM CST reply actions
Although I hope CP3 remains in New Orleans for a long time
Both for the city and 40 million other reasons
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Nov 30, 2011 1:26 PM CST reply actions
Am I the only one
who doesn’t feel the best single player to land for CP3 is Andrew Bynum? Guy is one of the few legitimate centers in the league and he’s ready to be the main man on a team. I know he’s been prone to injury the last several years but part of me feels we should write that off to the injury nexus that hampers very young big men.
yeah, there's no way i want bynum
it’s true that big men are often injured, but i don’t think that justifies acquiring a big with such a ridiculous injury history
by Rohan on Nov 30, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd want this done with sooner
Rather than later. No dragging this out all season. If he’s gonna stick it out, fine…come out and have a presser CP3 or Monty to make it known. It won’t stop the BS from ESPN cuz they just want CP3 in a big market cuz they love him so much but ain’t no money in pimping him from a place like NOLA.
I just don’t want none of the BS from Melo to happen all year.
by E_Rob1987 on Nov 30, 2011 4:27 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
From a completely outsider perspective....
…..I would totally do a Kaman/Eric Bledsoe deal along with the Clippergeddon pick (Minny 1st rounder) for Paul. The Hornets could potentially have 2 top 3 picks in what most are projecting (which means little until the actual prospects have declared). The question is would the Clippers do this and would the Hornets do this. Yes, Chris Paul isn’t replacable, but it’s not like Paul doesn’t come with “?” marks in his own way.
Keep in mind as a Kings fan, I don’t exactly like this scenario. It’s bad enough that the Lakers are always hovering around in bad times, but this makes the Clippers formidable in many ways and then some. This kind of competition is not something I exactly would like (from my perspective Sterling has neutered the strong possibility for a powerhouse with his slumlord tactics—which is a good thing if you’re a small market team like the Kings IMO), but none fof that changes, again, that the Clippers are the best landing spot for Chris Paul. The Clip Joint has the best assets in return that will give New Orleans the very much needed “life after Chris Paul” it needs.
That said, there is more at play than here than what is the best “basketball” decision for the Hornets.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
in what most are projecting to be a deep draft^
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Good point on the Paul ? marks – Hornets fans would be wise to remember how poorly he played for large periods of the regular season last year.
I’m half worried about the Minny 1st rounder though. With Adelman, Rubio, Love, + Beasley, I think they have a reasonable shot at being a low end lottery team, as opposed to having a top 3 pick. Obviously it’s a deep draft like you mention, so a 10ish pick will be more valuable than in other years, but I think I’d take Gordon over the Wolves’ pick still.
I just read your comments about that above.
The problem is I’m not sure the Clippers would do that. As valuable as Chris Paul is, you’re making a lateral move trading away Eric Gordon to get Chris Paul. Now you have to figure out a hole by a very valuable young player. Plus, now gordon is moving into a situation he walked into with the Clippers in ’08.
There is a lot of risk in all this scenario. But this is one of the downsides to limited ownership when dealing with a superstar. Or just a superstar period. (It’s amazing that Dwight Howard is doing this too. Players have figured out their power in this regard.)
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
great article...
BSPN has really worked up the bleakness of this situation. This helps put one more at ease.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qais_eGMnWk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39GH-nzrY_I&feature=relatde
Dell Demps...
is from the school of Holt, R.C. Buford and Popovich. Coming from there, I’d like to think that Demps is a very smart man. If I’m Demps, I’m finding the best team to do business with that will help the HORNETS. Not Chris Paul. NY has no assets for the Hornets.
Demps would do better...
to tell Leon Rose to kiss his *.
I enjoyed watching Chris Paul play as a Hornet
I haven’t seen a player as remarkable as him in a long, long time. I’m upset that he’s leaving but, I really can’t blame him. The Hornets have been a frustrating team. Some of the trades last year were real head-scratchers. All that said, I don’t see the point of trading him to New York if it doesn’t help the team. If CP3 really does leave, David West is not returning either. My question is, does Demps cut either Emeka or Ariza and completely rebuild?
The Hornets have kind of been in a transition...
Chris Paul is 26 years old. I don’t know where it’s been written that all players must have a championship before they’re 26. I understand wanting to win. I do. Shinn ran this team into the ground and they’re just now trying to come up from that. Too bad it’s not happening fast enough for him.

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