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Marco Belinelli Returns to the Hornets for 2011-2012

You'll recall that way back in June, before the lockout had even started and before Chris Paul realized that he wanted to be in New York, or Los Angeles, or the other Los Angeles, or basically anywhere that wasn't the debacle that is the New Orleans Hornets, Marco Belinelli received a qualifying offer from the team.

By offering Belinelli the QO, the Hornets retained his restricted free agent rights; that is, if any other team put in a bid for his services, the Hornets earned themselves the ability to match. Now that one of the wildest free agency seasons of modern times is in full effect, Belinelli has found himself totally devoid of external offers and has opted to take the Hornets' qualifying offer. This means he'll be under contract for just one season (at $3.377 million) and will become an unrestricted free agent in summer of 2012.

Once upon a time, I argued that $3.4M for a shooting guard with Marco Belinelli's three point percentages is fair value. Some of that original post:

There is a video on Youtube that depicts a 22 year old Marco Belinelli performing an under the legs to behind the back crossover into a left handed no look pass to a teammate for an open three. He's seen again in the same video, three minutes later, hitting a fadeaway jumper on the baseline from behind the backboard and falling out of bounds. Youtube goes on to suggest that those intrigued by this particular exhibition of athletic excellence might find their senses similarly galvanized by another video entitled "Belinelli 360° dunk," which, surprisingly if we're being honest, does not disappoint.

Unfortunately for the player and his fans, the content of these two videos hasn't exactly defined his four year career. Three comments posted under that second video do a much better job of that - "Welcome to New Orleans!!", "WELCOME TO THE RAPTORS MARCO!", and "Sani Booy! Sani Booooy!." The first and second capture the overarching theme of his career thus far - anticipation preceding disappointment, rinse, repeat - while the third confuses me almost as much as his game. Why does he handle like Steve Nash one moment and impetuously leave his feet to chuck the ball at Emeka Okafor's toes the next? Nobody knows, outside of possibly Sani Booy and his omnifariously voweled friends.

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All that said? The shot is still world class. The range on the shot is immense. For a team like New Orleans and for a player like Chris Paul, it's an imperative component of the roster. I'll put up with one hundred more blown assignments if it means I get to watch Trevor Ariza and Willie Green shoot one hundred less threes. The majority of Belinelli's game - the passing, the "defense," the rebounding, the help - were all sadly exposed. Nobody will be clamoring for him to start next year, and they shouldn't be. But his outside shot is an elite one, and the compensation his qualifying offer assures isn't far out of line with the average price the market dictates for shooters.

All of that still rings true, except the most important line - "for a player like Chris Paul, [shooting is] an imperative component of the roster." Chris Paul is, effectively, no longer a Hornet, and so even if Belinelli's qualifying offer is market value for three point shooters, it makes a little less sense contextually.

And yet, even the loss of Chris Paul doesn't make this an awful deal. As it stands now, the Hornets have 6 players under contract, and Belinelli's better than most D-League talent. At most, we're overpaying Belinelli by maybe $1M over a one year period. Regardless of how you feel about Belinelli, there's no point getting too worked up about this move.

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At this rate...

the number of Hornets under contract is at least 6 below that required by the league and about 2 above the number of fans who will be in the stands.

"I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it." Groucho Marx

by BenDerDonDat on Dec 13, 2011 5:17 PM CST reply actions  

Belinelli

I can’t wait until he’s coming off the bench behind Eric Gordon in a couple of weeks.

"You play to win the game."

by MrWayneKeller on Dec 13, 2011 5:28 PM CST reply actions  

I know

I’ll be hoping the Clippers get off to a really bad start!

by RedHopeful on Dec 13, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

You know what's sad

Right now he’s the best offensive weapon on the Hornets roster (assuming CP is all but gone)

by njennings on Dec 13, 2011 6:00 PM CST reply actions  

Another bit of possible good news...

is that Carl Landry may come back….Despite all that’s gone on he is still very open to returning to the club….I really hope he does….

by RoxFan17 on Dec 13, 2011 8:41 PM CST reply actions  

WHY??????

I understand with all the attention given CP3 other teams are wheeling and dealing but…… Belinelli has great hustle but his ability to finish is subpar… His avg shooting 3’s is 2 for 10… I hear the toilet flushing on the season/franchise…. WE NEED BIGS!!!……….. Gray already signed with the Raptors and Landry(although great athlete) is undersized as is Okafor…… Yeah we also needed a SG but there are others out there who are better finishers than Belinelli….. Rip Hamilton, Jamal Crawford, Affallo, etc… We got to show that we’re serious.

by fshabazz on Dec 13, 2011 9:47 PM CST reply actions  

It Makes No Sense

To bring in retread veterans if it’s going to be a rebuilding season. The Hornets don’t know what moves to make because they don’t know what kind of team they’re going to have and they don’t know who’s going to be on the roster; that’s the biggest reason why this thing needed to be resolved quickly.

"You play to win the game."

by MrWayneKeller on Dec 13, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Been hearing

talks are on with both L.A. teams:

Lakers – Gasol, draft pick + looking for 3rd team for more youth
Clippers – now Mo Williams and Ariza are in the discussions

by RedHopeful on Dec 13, 2011 10:14 PM CST reply actions  

Oh God

I’d rather have the first deal than have Pau Gasol be the best player on our team.

"You play to win the game."

by MrWayneKeller on Dec 13, 2011 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Then Again

Could be a case of the Hornets using Pau Gasol as a way to drive up the Clippers price.

"You play to win the game."

by MrWayneKeller on Dec 13, 2011 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

But yea

the Lakers have jumped right back into it according to “sources”…….gettin kinda tiring hearing that just wanna see something get done

by RoxFan17 on Dec 13, 2011 10:35 PM CST reply actions  

Whats wrong with older vets who can contribute....

I understand with CP3 leaving we need to have younger, talented youngsters BUT does that guarantee championship season? Heck to the NAH…. If we had Golden State’s team, how many nights would it be 12K+ fans in the seats. I know we need a new core/rebuild but there has to be talented vets on the team too. All this talk about getting in younger guys is comendable but lets talk about getting some height(vets won’t foul out as much). Okafor is a Ctr in a Fwd body. When Okafor was getting abused towards the end of the season, Gray saved the day(alot). I’d rather have talented Scola & or Odom without Paul as oppose to no talented Scola or Odom and eventually no Paul. Hello people…. No D West, No A Gray & eventually/soon No CP3… Meanwhile time is passing and most of the good guys(vets) are being grabbed like cake at a weightwatchers meeting.

by fshabazz on Dec 13, 2011 11:06 PM CST reply actions  

WE GOT AN NBA PLAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Excited that we signed someone who will be on the roster once the season starts.

Pretty much agree with Rohan’s writeup. Marco has been a middling player overall, but there’s nothing majorly wrong with him or with the contract to which he was signed.

Agree he may be marginally overpaid at this price, but it’s a 1 year deal and as noted it’s not that much in absolute terms.

He’s been primarily an outside shooter, whose shot was a bit inconsistent at times. He’s a below average player in most other aspects of the game and (in my opinion) his lack of athleticism leads to consistently subpar results in most other statistical categories. On the other hand, he knows the NBA game now and generally won’t embarrass us on the court. Still some small hope that he could really “emerge”, but I think at this point, it’s fairly safe to say he’ll probably be just a solid 20 minute/game guy for his career.

But that’s ok and I have no major issue with this signing.

by MZURK on Dec 13, 2011 11:56 PM CST reply actions  

Marco "Rambo" Belinelli

That’s my nickname for Marco ever since that one announcer mentioned that Marco reminds him of a younger Sylvester Stallone (does anyone remember that moment last season??).

Hope Marco can go Rambo for us this season.

by MZURK on Dec 13, 2011 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Marco "Rocky" Belinelli

Hopefully the Hornets can follow the same story as Rocky Balboa.
A down on their luck basketball team who somehow gets a shot at the NBA title and proves to everyone they are a contender.

by Mayooo on Dec 14, 2011 12:46 AM CST up reply actions  

are one of you guys Chris Berman?

I prefer Marco “fuhgedaboutit” Belinellli

"I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it." Groucho Marx

by BenDerDonDat on Dec 14, 2011 2:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I prefer

SANI BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY!!!!!

"I'm not a businessman, I'm a business, man" ~Jay-Z
CP3 is coming. Quick, hide your Howards!
"Sleeping on me probably in the coffin" - Tyga
Shoutout RALLY SQUIRREL!!!!!!!!!!

by OnPointLikeCP3 on Dec 14, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Celtics have pulled out of CP3 talks

and feeling is a CP3 deal with one of the L.A. teams will get done. Hearing Gordon may not have to be included now – if that’s the case, LAC have to be the favorite?

by RedHopeful on Dec 14, 2011 10:44 AM CST reply actions  

Boooooooooo

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

I want Gordon, not the draft pick! Ahhhhh!

"You play to win the game."

by MrWayneKeller on Dec 14, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Gordon is FA next year tho, right?

Kind of risky to take him over the pick because he could just bolt after the season… Just like everyone else.

by njennings on Dec 14, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

He's A Restricted Free Agent

And Gordon’s not necessarily “top superstar” player. He’s not one to hijack a franchise.

And it may be risky to take someone who you’re going to have to pay (oh no!) but it’s riskier to take a pick that doesn’t guarantee you get a productive player back.

"You play to win the game."

by MrWayneKeller on Dec 14, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Trade has gone down!

Cp3 to clips + 2 2nd round picks

We got Gordon, aminu, Kaman and minny pick

by RedHopeful on Dec 14, 2011 6:03 PM CST reply actions  

FINALLY

All i care about is Stern got us an ABSOLUTE HAUL

Nobody can blame him anymore if they’re a hornets fan. Rest of the league? Eh screw those haters.

by curryneggs on Dec 14, 2011 6:05 PM CST reply actions  

To Keep Things Organized

www.atthehive.com/2011/12/14/2636930/sources-clippers-hornets-agree

I went ahead and posted the article as a front paged fanshot so that we can discuss it there until Rohan gets here and settles us all down.

"You play to win the game."

by MrWayneKeller on Dec 14, 2011 6:14 PM CST reply actions  

Bittersweet day

Better than expected deal for the Hornets. Gordon is a very promising shooting guard, Minny draft pick nice, Kamen above average center and Aminu has potential.

Chris Paul gave 6 great years to the Hornets. Some of the best basketball I have ever seen out of a point guard. Sad to see him go, but looking forward to the season finally.

"I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it." Groucho Marx

by BenDerDonDat on Dec 14, 2011 7:57 PM CST reply actions  

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