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A Guide To The New Orleans Hornets: 2011-2012 and Beyond

The 2008 New Orleans Hornets won 56 games, boasted one of the strongest young cores in the NBA, and came within a game of the Western Conference Finals. They won often, fortified the presence of professional basketball in New Orleans, and, given the right moves, were on the verge of vaulting into a multi-year championship window.

Two years on, not a single member of that team is still a Hornet. In fact, only one member of the 2010 side (Emeka Okafor) is still on the team in December 2011. Rebuilding efforts are obviously common around the league, but 100% turnover in a two season span? 93% turnover over a one year stretch? Not so much. The Hornets tossed away their future core (Darren Collison, Marcus Thornton) in an effort to keep their then current core (Chris Paul, David West), a move, which despite its ultimate failure due to a number of reasons, is still vaguely defensible. In between, the team also happened to pick up a new "owner", a new coach, and a new GM (and arguably two new GMs).

And now, two days from the start of this, the 24th season in the history of the franchise, we're face to face with a roster about as unfamiliar as the one that represented Charlotte on November 4th, 1988. What does it all mean? What will this team look like this year? In 3 years? In 5 years?

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THE GOAL

The goal is to win an NBA championship.

Its obviousness might make it a rather inane point. But the circus that was New Orleans' offseason, the uncertainty that surrounds the purchase 10,000 fans made in the last five months, and the prospect of the first superstar-less season for the Hornets in seven years, makes it easy, and even justifiable, to forget this. Do we desperately need team ownership resolved? Absolutely. We need a real owner, we need a new lease on the New Orleans Arena, and we need the NBA-generated fan and corporate momentum to endure. On the court though, the goal, as ridiculous or as remote as it may now look, remains the same - the eventual goal is to win an NBA championship.

Let's go a step further and quantify that - how close did we actually get with Chris Paul, and how far do we now have to go without him?

NBA Finalists 2002-2011 (Efficiency Differential*)

Dallas Mavericks (+4.7)
Miami Heat (+8.2)
Los Angeles Lakers (+5.1)
Boston Celtics (+3.9)
Los Angeles Lakers (+8.1)
Orlando Magic (+7.3)
Boston Celtics (+11.3)
Los Angeles Lakers (+7.5)
San Antonio Spurs (+9.3)
Cleveland Cavaliers (+4.2)
Miami Heat (+4.2)
Dallas Mavericks (+6.8)
San Antonio Spurs (+8.7)
Detroit Pistons (+4.4)
Detroit Pistons (+6.6)
Los Angeles Lakers (+4.2)
San Antonio Spurs (+5.9)
New Jersey Nets (+5.7)
Los Angeles Lakers (+7.7)
New Jersey Nets (+4.5)

Here, "efficiency differential" refers to the difference between a team's offensive points/100 possessions and defensive points/100 possessions. It's semantics, but this is also the same thing as the sum of how far from league average a team's offense is and how far from league average the same team's defense is.

Over the last decade, the above list shakes out to an average around +6 offensive points per 100 possessions minus defensive points per 100 possessions. Efficiency differential varies from point differential by removing team pace from the equation. Between two teams with identical efficiency differentials, the team with the faster pace will artificially have the higher point differential.

There's yearly variation based on conference strength, "weaker" teams breaking through, etc. But ultimately, if you get to the +6 differential plateau, you're championship material. You obviously don't have to get there; things like tons of prior playoff experience (2011 Dallas, 2009 Boston) play a role. How you get there doesn't really matter either - you can play exceptional defense and mediocre offense (2004 Detroit), exceptional offense and bad defense (2001 Los Angeles), or mix and match between the two (2006 Miami). But ultimately, +6 is a sign of a contending team. It doesn't guarantee a title or even a Finals appearance. But it guarantees a team that has a damn good chance.

+6 is the goal we now build towards. For the next few years, +6 needs to become our mantra.

WHERE WERE WE WITH CP3?

In hindsight, the Chris Paul years were amazing; as Hornets fans we were phenomenally lucky to have him, and he'll forever be a part of our history. Due to injuries, poor roster construction, bad luck, and poor foresight, the Chris Paul years are now over. But, based on the +6 paradigm, how close did we actually get?

Chris Paul Era, Sorted by Efficiency Differential

2007-2008 (+5.8)
2008-2009 (+1.7)
2010-2011 (+1.0)
2006-2007 (-1.7)
2009-2010 (-2.7)
2005-2006 (-3.1)

The efficiency differential of 2007-2008 gives credence to the idea that that particular team was a piece or two away from greatness (<insert James Posey joke>). It's also very clear from the rest of those numbers that in Chris Paul's six year stay, the Hornets had just one team that even remotely looked like it could do much. For all of Paul's greatness, his supporting casts were just never that good.

By definition, league average efficiency differential is 0. With Chris Paul, we finished below league average three times, and above it three times; yes, +6 was nearly achieved once, and yes, with a new owner and new management, the future perhaps looked like brightening. But looking at it from Chris Paul's perspective, I think it's completely reasonable he decided he wanted out and, specifically, wanted out to a championship contender. Are the Clippers that? It remains to be seen, but their current setup would certainly appear to be better than the Hornets' 2005-2011.

We can break down Chris Paul's own individual numbers here too (and this will provide a good reference point for the Eric Gordon discussion, next).

During the 2007-2008 regular season, Paul used approximately 1450 offensive possessions, producing 1.25 points per possession (derived from his offensive efficiency (ORtg) of 125, including points and created shots for teammates). The average points per possession value in the NBA was 1.075 that year and generally hovers around that mark. So Paul produced, offensively, 0.175 more points per possession than the average NBA player.

Let's transfer that over to the original scale we were discussing - the one in which the concept of "+6" exists. Over 100 possessions, that's a +17.5 differential above league average. To make another very obvious statement - Chris Paul was amazingly, amazingly good at basketball in 2007-2008.

Some more simple math at this juncture:

The Hornets had about 7372 offensive possessions in 2007-2008. 20% of those ended with a Chris Paul shot, free throw, turnover, or assist, and of those 20%, the Hornets had the aforementioned +17.5 differential. Keep in mind that we're talking only offense here. +6 can be achieved through any combination of offense and defense; it could be +3 offense above the league average offense and +3 defense above the league average defense, +7 offense and -1 defense, or +0 offense and +6 defense, and so forth.

By using 20% of possessions at a +17.5 clip, Paul contributed a net +3.5 differential to the team; in other words, Paul's offense alone in 2007-2008 took the team more than halfway to championship contention status.

Now let's say we know we have a +3 defense (or +3 above the league average defense), and we needed the team to be +3 on offense (or +3 above the league average offense) to reach +6. We know Paul used 20% of possessions at +17.5; we can then find out what the remaining 80% of possessions need to be, efficiency wise, to reach the mark. In this case, with 20% of possessions at +17.5, the remaining 80% would need to be converted at a -0.625 differential (or close to league average of 0) in order to have a highly functional +3 offense.

In reality, the 2007-2008 Hornets actually finished at a +4 on offense, buoyed by strong contributions from David West and Tyson Chandler. The Byron Scott-led defense finished at a +1.8 differential, the 7th best mark in the league.

Chris Paul's offensive involvement declined tremendously in 2010-2011, post-surgery. However, the main drop-off in his offense came not in his points/possession (which dropped from 1.25 in 2008 to 1.22), but rather, the total number of possessions used. He used approximately 1450 in 2008, 1500 in 2009, but only about 1100 last year.

1100 possession was only 15% of the team's total, as opposed to the 20% figure of 2007-2008. As a result, the burden of achieving a higher positive offensive differential shifted to other players on the roster. By eschewing the ball as much as he did, Paul forced unfathomably worse offensive players (Willie Green and Trevor Ariza come to mind) into using more possessions at terrible differentials. The passive Chris Paul disappeared in the playoffs of course, replaced by the amazing Chris Paul of old. But his possession drop-off in 2011 is still worth remembering nonetheless.

In 2007-2008, the rest of the roster required just that -0.625 offensive differential amongst themselves to get halfway to the +6 mark. In 2010-2011, that number jumped all the way to 1.6 due to Paul's passivity.

WHERE ARE WE NOW?

Most statistical projections will have the Hornets floundering around the bottom of the Conference this year, in line to pick up an excellent lottery choice in the 2012 draft. To the "eye test," that may or may not be a reasonable assessment; because nobody's seen this team really play together, the "eye test" is a tough one to refute, whatever its conclusions. So let's dig a little deeper than that.

The Eric Gordon Effect

Of the current roster, Eric Gordon is far and away the most likely player to still be present on the next contender that New Orleans puts together. Rosters don't remain static, especially when they're headed by a GM as active as Dell Demps; Gordon, barring complications with his rookie contract extension, is far too talented to be moved before the team has a chance to build around him.

Gordon has a chance to develop into a superstar player, though for now, his impact is obviously significantly less than that of Paul's.

Last year, Gordon produced 1.12 points per possession, using 1082 possessions. That's an offensive differential of 4.7 above league average, obviously a far, far cry from Chris Paul's 17.5 of 2007-2008. That's the difference between a sure-fire Hall of Famer and a player gunning for a future All-Star berth.

Gordon only played 56 games last year, so if we propagate Gordon's usage through a full year (an exercise which obviously raises questions of its own, namely can Gordon be this good over an entire season?), Gordon would have used about 20% of the Clippers' total possessions last year. Bringing back the +3 offensive differential above average goal once more, that would require the rest of his teammates to be +2.6 above average on offense through the rest of their possessions - obviously a huge ask. Where Paul's 2007-2008 season saw him add +3.5 to the +6 goal by himself offensively, Gordon's 2010-2011, if we projected it out to 82 games, would add about +1.0.

The fact is, the next iteration of the Hornets will need to be a far more balanced offensive side than the teams we saw during the Chris Paul era in order to have success.

The Monty Williams Effect

You'll notice that to this point, any discussion of defense has been completely excluded. Paul was a great defender; so is Eric Gordon. There's probably an interesting debate to be had about the relative merits of each as a team's primary perimeter defender. But the more instructive discussion here is probably a more overarching one - a look at how the Hornets played defense as a team in 2010-2011 and what that means going forward.

In Year 1, Monty Williams had his team playing top-5 level defense for large stretches of the season. Various injuries to Paul, Emeka Okafor, and others eventually pushed the Hornets down to the 10th best defensive team in the league. But Williams clearly has an exceptional understanding of how to funneling playmakers towards defensive help; that, perhaps more than anything, was his biggest strength as a coach in 2011. We saw Emeka Okafor become a strong defensive anchor in the paint as Ariza and Paul systematically fed him offensive players on their own terms, and Williams' frequent use of zone defense was another component of this defensive style.

The Hornets finished last year with a +2.1 defensive differential above league average (using "positive" as a plus here, and "negative" as a bad sign, though that's obviously flipped in terms of the scoreboard) despite a tremendous amount of roster shuffling, a season ending injury to a critical big, and the presence of a very poor defender (Belinelli) in the starting five.

The big questions for the Hornets defensively in 2011-2012 will come at point guard (Jack) and power forward (Landry). However, the team makes a huge defensive upgrade at the 2-guard. The Chris Paul-Jarrett Jack combination was the Hornets' most successful backcourt last year (by point differential) in part due to Belinelli's shortcomings at the position. Obviously, Ariza and Okafor return to the roster. It's not inconceivable at all for the Hornets to finish in the top 15 of defensive efficiency this season. Even if the offensive talent isn't there, Monty Williams will have his players defending on every possession.

A defensive differential ranging between 0 and +1 to +1.5 isn't at all unreasonable to expect this year.

More importantly, Monty Williams' defensive abilities are very important going forward, especially in light of the +6 goal. The 2012 draft is absolutely loaded with defensive talent. Our plus defense will ostensibly allow us to inch further up the positive point differential without requiring as much offensive talent. So in that sense, even the most die-hard "tank" advocate should be rooting as hard as possible for the Hornets' defense this season. Sure, we may be getting new players in the near future, but the value of the fundamental defensive base everything is built around will become more clear over the next 66 games regardless.

The Team

I won't go too heavily into analyzing each individual player - just my quick notes on them and my projection, based on past value and current role.

Additionally, this is an offensive look at the roster; as noted above, I expect the defensive side of the ball to shake out somewhere between a +1 and 0 differential.

Jarret Jack

Jack struggled tremendously in his first month as a Hornets, but eventually began to rebound. It's key to note that Jack has been an NBA starter in the past, notably starting 43 and 53 games for Toronto and Indiana in 2010 and 2009. In those seasons, Jack posted offensive efficiencies (points per 100 possessions) of 116 and 107. With the Hornets, that figure fell to 104 in a backup role.

This year, I see him rebounding at least to league average (~107.5) again.

Projected Possessions Used: 12% (of team)
Projected Differential : 0

Eric Gordon

Gordon's health will be tracked closely; over the last three seasons, Gordon has actually played fewer games than Chris Paul. The main difference we'll see from 2010 Gordon and 2011 Gordon figures to be overall usage. Gordon's defense is excellent, and Monty Williams won't have the "Marcus Thornton" problem with him; on the other side of the ball, Monty will have very few creative options - Carl Landry (and Jarrett Jack on a good day) figure to be chief among those.

I conservatively don't see Gordon's overall offensive efficiency increasing too much - he'll be taking on a much bigger possession load, and defensively, opponents can focus in on him every single night without too many repercussions. Gordon's ORtg was 112 a year ago (a differential of +4.7). If he'd stayed healthy, he was on pace to use 20% of the Clippers' total offensive possessions.

Projected Possessions Used: 23%
Projected Differential: +5

Trevor Ariza

Oh, Trevor Ariza. Long one of the league's most underrated players, then perhaps its most overrated, and now, just a depressing one, at least offensively.

Last year, Ariza produced a hilarious -10.3 differential (yes, that is NEGATIVE 10.3). I don't see it being quite that bad this year, simply because his 2010-2011 was one of the worst offensive showings in the history of the NBA and, happily, doesn't seem that repeatable. He used just 12% of Hornets' possessions though, a figure which looks to increase without Chris Paul.

Projected Possessions Used: 15%
Projected Differential: -8

Carl Landry

Tooth returns this year, for another year of great PaintShops and, hopefully, a year of shot attempts a bit closer to the hoop. Landry is easily one of the NBA's best finishers with his array of hesitations and shot fakes so hopefully he'll eschew the midrange game for a more drive-heavy one this year.

In the last three years, his ORtgs have been 110, 117, and 123, with an obvious decline; I think he should be right in the 110 range (+2.5 differential) once more.

Projected Possessions Used: 17%
Projected Differential:+2.5

Emeka Okafor

There's been some discussion about who the starter will be at the 5; I think Okafor will almost definitely take it due to his defensive impact. Despite the presence of two elite defenders last year in Paul and Ariza, Okafor was still the centerpiece of Monty's D. Now that he's been stripped of his superstar (and, depending on who you believe, a much better offensive complement of players in Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, and Lamar Odom), Monty will almost assuredly hang on to the one thing he still has - his defense. And that still starts and ends with Okafor, no matter his offensive shortcomings.

From a casual observer's perspective, Okafor really did seem to gel with Chris Paul last year on the offensive end; in actuality, his offensive efficiency stayed about the same. Over the past three years, his ORtgs have gone 112, 110, and 111. I do see it dropping a bit this year without a real creator at the point guard (Jack will be calling his own number quite frequently one would assume). Even in 2010, Okafor had Darren Collison setting up shots for him; this year, he won't even have that. So I'd estimate his ORtg dropping more in line with his career ORtg (107). Let's call it 108 (+0.5).

Okafor also used 9% of possessions last year, a figure that may slightly drop without Paul and with the addition of Kaman; however, it's already a low total and can't drop much further.

Projected Possessions Used: 8%
Projected Differential: +0.5

The Bench

Between the starters, 75% of the team's offensive possessions figure to be used. This assumes relatively robust use of the starting five, perhaps a safe bet given the composition of the team's second and third units.

Chris Kaman

Kaman's an interesting player in that his offensive game looks relatively polished in a stylistic sense (his jumper and post jukes are all clean). But he's never been an efficient offensive player in his career. His career ORtg is a woeful 98, and he hasn't crossed the 100 threshold since 2008. I simply don't see that changing in New Orleans; he'll be in that 99-100 range again, in addition to some very solid defensive rebounding.

Alongside Aminu and Belinelli, Kaman also figures to be one of the biggest offensive options for the bench. His possession percentage assumes that he uses more than a quarter of the bench's possessions offensively.

Projected Possessions Used: 6.5%
Projected Differential: -7.5

Al-Farouq Aminu

Aminu's far and away the most difficult player on the team to project. Everyone else has either been in the league a while or has given us a reasonable expectation level for their future (ie, Pondexter). Aminu, on the other hand, is still very young (21) and has components to his game that could improve significantly through coaching.

I'll actually go ahead and project Aminu optimistically; he had an awful 94 ORtg last year, but it's quite possible he creeps into the high 90's range, so around a -9 or 10 differential).

Projected Possessions Used: 4.5%
Projected Differential: -9.5

Marco Belinelli

As I've noted multiple times, I'm really quite glad the Hornets brought back Belinelli; however, his role is definitely a bench one. Hopefully we'll get much more flag waving this season regardless.

His ORtg the past three years has been 104, 106, and 107. Less Chris Paul and less even Jarrett Jack as a "creator" from the bench, a mild decline seems reasonable.

Projected Possessions Used: 4.5%
Projected Differential:-2.5

Jason Smith

Mason noted many times through Wednesday's game that Jason Smith looks like a much improved player and athlete. Without Paul running the pick and pop with him, Smith's offensive opportunities may be a bit limited, but his value as both a defender and a rebounder looks to be in line to increase.

Smith's career ORtgs have been 101, 101, and 100 (-7.5) and that's not likely to change. I also don't see him using more than 15% of bench offensive possessions, or about 4% of the team total.

Projected Possessions Used: 4%
Projected Differential:-7.5

The Rest

All in all, that accounts for about 95% of team possessions so far. The rest will be taken by guys like new signing Gustavo Ayon, Quincy Pondexter (whose role and possible injury look unclear at this point), as well as the DLeague guys, like Squeaky Johnson, who may make the final roster. Let's go ahead and toss that percentage in as well:

Projected Possessions Used: 6%
Projected Differential: -10

It's obviously tough to get a great estimate of their offensive differential; -10 may indeed be a little bit harsh, but it's a small percentage of the overall impact.

Overall

And that now leaves us at 100% of offensive possessions accounted for.

Multiplying and adding it altogether give us a grand total of -1.52 points/100 possessions below league average on offense. Gordon, Landry, and Okafor play their roles in buoying the figure a little bit, but ultimately, there's one too many minus offensive player on this current roster.

For some perspective, a -1.5 offensive team last year would have been the Toronto Raptors, or Eric Gordon's former the team, the Clippers. Interestingly, last year's Chris Paul led New Orleans Hornets finished about -1 below league average.

That last one is actually pleasantly surprising to me. Based on my initial eye test of the new roster, one of my first claims on Twitter (and here, I think) was that the dropoff from Paul to Jack wouldn't be that much different than the upgrade from Belinelli to Gordon, offensively. And that's borne out by the numbers.

Next, we can take those offensive and defensive projections and take a stab at a record. Let's go with a defensive differential of +0.5 (again, positive being a good thing).

If the Hornets play at a typical Monty Williams pace (89 possessions/game), they should score 89/100 x (107.5 - 1.52) points per game, or 94.3 and they should allow 89/100 x (107.5 - 0.5) point per game or 95.2. Using a Pythagorean wins formula (see Basketball on Paper by Dean Oliver), over a 66 game schedule, this should come out to 30.8 wins, which we can round up to 31 wins for a projection - so a record of 31-35.

The Western Conference's 8th place team posted a 56% winning percentage last year, which would be equivalent to a 37-29 record this season. Overall, the Hornets may well be bit better than many project (John Hollinger has us last in the conference) but will likely fall short of a playoff spot by some distance.

THE FUTURE

As it stands now, this is a -1 to -2 efficiency differential team. The goal is +6, and we've got quite a gap to make up over the next two to four years. In the interim, we'll have multiple (lottery) draft picks, the development of Eric Gordon into a possible All-Star, and the evolution of Monty Williams' defensive scheme.

Will it be enough? We shall see. But we know quantitatively what our eventual goal is, and we know, quantitatively, some of the steps on the way to getting there. Can Gordon, currently a +1 kind of player, grow into a +2? Can Monty Williams' defense sustain a +1 efficiency despite the loss of so many components? If both those things come to fruition, an elite 2012 draft could be what puts the team over the top.

As a fan, it's your right to root for a season of tanking (abject failure is, idiotically, what leads to small market success in the NBA) but there's a lot to look forward to from the 2011-2012 New Orleans Hornets from a basketball perspective as well.

+6, y'all. +6.

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FANTASY LEAGUE

(Rohan, apologies for off topic post).

I made a fantasy league. Please try to join using the link below.

http://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/register/tos?league_id=130836&password=gohornets

If it asks you for password it is: gohornets

by MZURK on Dec 23, 2011 3:06 AM CST reply actions  

Nice

Looks like quite a few people said they wanted to join in yesterday’s thread.. hopefully they see this one today

by Rohan on Dec 23, 2011 3:12 AM CST up reply actions  

yes

Yes, apologies for posting this here. It’s offtopic and I don’t mean to be rude. But I’d like to get the regulars on this board involved. Once the league starts, there will be a way to communicate about league matters on the league board and I will not post about it here again.

Hope to see you in the league Rohan!

Our league is called ATH-2012 Champions League.

by MZURK on Dec 23, 2011 3:15 AM CST up reply actions  

No problem

I’m considering joining haha. I usually don’t play NBA fantasy because it makes me enjoy the games themselves a little less (I play NFL and MLB)…. but I might have to do it this time.

I’ll think about it some more tomorrow!

by Rohan on Dec 23, 2011 3:17 AM CST up reply actions  

know what you mean

I know what you mean. But it’s just for fun, not serious competition. I found that it helps me to pay attention to some players/stats that I might not otherwise do.

Also, I usually try to pick or Hornet or two for my team, hehe.^^

by MZURK on Dec 23, 2011 3:20 AM CST up reply actions  

In

and I hope Rohan and some other regulars join. Be nice to start a cool tradition around here.

by RedHopeful on Dec 23, 2011 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

We got 13 teams

Need at least 1 more team to make the league!

I hope you’re in already Rohan.

by MZURK on Dec 23, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

14 teams now

Last chance to join. We’ll be drafting in 5 hours or so.

by MZURK on Dec 24, 2011 5:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of joining leagues...

whatever happened with that 2K12 online league that was supposed to happen. YOU DITCHED ME, DIDN’T YOU!!! WHY DOES NOBODY THINK I’M COOL!!! I AM COOL!!!!!!

"I'm not a businessman, I'm a business, man" ~Jay-Z
"Sleeping on me probably in the coffin" - Tyga
Rally Squirrel will steal yo gurl.
SANI BOOOOOY!!!

by OnPointLikeCP3 on Dec 23, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

..

This is very last minute but I’m going to try to make it a live draft. Going to try to set the date for the draft for Saturday U.S. time. It will either be morning or night Saturday December 24. Look for more updates here.

If possible, pls include your posting name or some form of it in your team name so that we can know who you are here (e.g., RohanHornets).

Even if you can’t make the live draft, you can still participate. It will most likely pick players for you according to the Yahoo rank or according to your rank (not sure which one yet). In any case, bottom line is that, even if you can’t make the live draft, pls try to join the league anyway. Sometimes it can be more fun to try to scrap your way up the standings with a team of players picked for you by yahoo player assignment.

We’ve all enjoyed posting about the Hornets on Rohan’s ATH and I see this is just a fun extension of that. Hoep to see you on the league.

And one more thing: this was done very last minute so apologies for any glitches or unexpectedd results. I’ve played inth e yahoo league, but never hosted one before.

Cheers.

by MZURK on Dec 23, 2011 3:12 AM CST up reply actions  

questions/glitches

If anyon has any questions or finds any glitches when trying to join the league, pls report it in this thread (separate from discussion of Rohan’s article). Thank you.

by MZURK on Dec 23, 2011 3:19 AM CST up reply actions  

great

I see you in the league. We’ve got 3 teams so far.

by MZURK on Dec 23, 2011 6:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Timing of Draft

The Live Draft is preliminarily scheduled for:

Saturday 12pm (noon) EST – Eastern Standard Time

I understand that is 9am West Coast.

I hope that would be ok. If you can’t or are not sure you can make the draft, you can also edit your draft rankings now, which will help determine how your players are picked even though you don’t personally attend the draft (your highest ranked player will be picked for you that is still available).

Even if you can’t attend the draft and don’t have time to rank players, you will still probably end up with solid players and can make trades later or pick up players off waivers, so don’t worry if you can’t make the draft.

For those of you who can make it, it’s a lot of fun so I encourage you to try to make it. It doesn’t take too long (each team has a little over 1 minute to make a pick).

Currently, the default rankings are:

Default Rankings
1. Kevin Durant
2. LeBron James
3. Chris Paul
4. Kevin Love
5. Dwyane Wade
6. Derrick Rose
7. Dwight Howard
8. Pau Gasol
9. Dirk Nowitzki
10. Al Jefferson

Yes, that’s CP3 ranked nr. 3. ^ no idea what Jefferson is doing ranked 10 though. .. ^

by MZURK on Dec 23, 2011 7:03 AM CST up reply actions  

We got 4 teams now

We have the minimum now to have a draft and play.

Looking for more teams. Join up guys! :)

Current max number of teams is 16… but if there’s overwhelming demand, we can expand it slightly.

by MZURK on Dec 23, 2011 7:23 AM CST up reply actions  

13 teams

We need one more team. Feel free to invite a friend!

by MZURK on Dec 24, 2011 1:51 AM CST up reply actions  

14 teams

We have 14 teams and the draft is starting in around 30 minutes.

Good luck and have fun!^^

by MZURK on Dec 24, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Ugh

Your timing couldnt be worse. My cable provider will be repairing my line between 11-1 tomorrow.

by mattmc89 on Dec 23, 2011 7:52 AM CST up reply actions  

let's see

The timing issue will be very difficult, unfortunately. 12pm EST/9am Pacific is more or less reasonable, though that is 2am for me—still i can handle it. If we do it earlier, it’s fine for me and EST people, but it may hurt people in West Coast (7am or 8am draft in West Coast?). If we do it later, then I have to stay up past 3am or 4am, which is a bit hard.

So 12pm EST/9am PST/ 2am mytime, is the best compromise that i could think of…

Any chance you could work around yolur cable guy? Also, although it’s nmot as fun, you can still rank your players and your picks will be made in accordance with your ranking.

Also, feel free to make any reasonable suggestion.

by MZURK on Dec 23, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I cant change the time

Ill set my draft preferences and if I cant be online, Ill let it auto-pick for me.

by mattmc89 on Dec 23, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm in ...

Forza Tor … long-time lurker here, rarely post. But I am probably more excited to see the team this year than in past years; CP3, for all his talent, didn’t appear committed last year and the general feeling in my residence is that this team as constructed with CP3 and West was NEVER going to win it all. Now, I don’t think they’ll win it this year either, but at least we have new pieces and that should make us quite interesting to watch. Possibly catastrophic and infuriating … but interesting nonetheless.

Nothing like a good fantasy league to make the NBA watchable night-in and night-out.

by andregurov on Dec 23, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

welcome!

looking forward to more people hanging out on the game threads during games this year

by Rohan on Dec 23, 2011 1:24 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Signed Up

As Emeka Me Crazy. Hopefully it’s not too overbearing; I’ve never played fantasy basketball.

"You play to win the game."

by MrWayneKeller on Dec 23, 2011 8:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm in...

I am in another league and the draft was last night, it was an Auction Draft and I couldn’t make it, the end result is that my team blows.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Dec 23, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm in as I Met A World Piece.

"I'm not a businessman, I'm a business, man" ~Jay-Z
"Sleeping on me probably in the coffin" - Tyga
Rally Squirrel will steal yo gurl.
SANI BOOOOOY!!!

by OnPointLikeCP3 on Dec 23, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Im in...

as team FeelthaSting…thot id let yall know lol

by RoxFan17 on Dec 23, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow, I loved reading this. Interesting analysis I’m not used to seeing. That record seems pretty reasonable.

by abraves on Dec 23, 2011 3:08 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks!

Any questions anyone has, definitely ask.. I tried to make it as simple as possible, but re-reading it now, I can see where it might be convoluted at times.

by Rohan on Dec 23, 2011 3:11 AM CST up reply actions  

To give a bit more context

To give a bit more context to what it means for Eric Gordon to currently be a “+1” player that we hope can grow into a “+2” on offense, here are the offensive differentials for some other guys around the league.

The calculation is simple – it’s simply a function of how many points a player produces per 100 possessions (ORtg) and how many total possessions the player uses.

Some guys around the league in 2010-2011
LeBron: +2.13
Wade: +1.52
Bosh: +1.15

So the Big 3 on offense put up almost a +5 by themselves. Miami’s defense was a +4

Also interesting to note the peak differentials of these guys before they got to the Heat:
LeBron: +3.8 (2009)
Wade: +2.10 (2009)
Bosh: +1.75 (2010)

So there’s diminishing marginal value for stacking superstars. (though with Miami being a +5 +4 = +9, it’s worth it).

Others in 2011:

Nowitzki: +1.92
Durant: +1.77
Bryant: +0.92
Rose: +1.41

Rose’s MVP aside, I’d consider him in the halfway zone between star and superstar. The real reason for Chicago’s success was their +7 defensive differential – that alone put them past the +6 championship contender mark.

by Rohan on Dec 23, 2011 3:44 AM CST reply actions  

good article

Nice read. Tempers the expectations, which I think is necessary.

If Kaman can stay healthy, I think he can be quite dominant at times in the post. He has very good skills, positioning and touch. He’ll help. I don’t read too much into his supposed mediocre offenisve stats.

Having two quality centers should help us find a “bottom” and avoid getting repeatedly pounded inside, which can be one fo the most frustrating things.

Regarding Ariza, yeah, it pretty much can’t get any worse than last year. For a player chucking it up so many times (relatively speaking), a 39% is downright shocking. Hopefully he’ll improve since he can’t possibly get much worse.

Wary of Jack. Sceptical about Aminu.

Defense should hopefully be solid and I’m hoping we’ll be no worse than in the middle.

by MZURK on Dec 23, 2011 3:48 AM CST reply actions  

And some figures on the Hornets last year:

Paul: +2.24
West: +0.56
Oak: +0.32
Landry: +0.14
Jack: +0.06
Belinelli: -0.03
Green: -0.64
Ariza: -1.20

Over a full season, Landry’s differential would have been +0.51, or very similar to West’s.

Here’s Thornton with Hornets and Sacramento last year, just for fun:

SAC: +0.30 in 27 games
NOH: -0.40 in 46 games

Rookie Thornton: +0.45

by Rohan on Dec 23, 2011 3:53 AM CST reply actions  

My Brain

Just exploded from all of those figures, excellent analysis however

by Mayooo on Dec 23, 2011 6:12 AM CST reply actions  

Really Expansive Stuff

It’s taken me almost an hour to read and re-read to try and fully digest all that was said here. Your article really makes me upset that Paul still didn’t get the MVP Award in 2008. It still registers as a screw job. Onto your projections for the team, I seem to fall in line with a lot of what you’re saying. We feel majorly the same about the roster and what we project it to do. I had no idea how bad Trevor Ariza was last year either.

Also makes you wonder if Paul’s passivity is due to the injury (as some have suggested) or Monty’s offense (which I have suggested). I guess we’ll see this year when he takes the court with the Clippers.

Other than that, great stuff all the way around. We don’t have the most talented bunch on display in New Orleans (and I still don’t know if we can ever be a championship team with Gordon as our number one guy) but we’ll at least have a team that takes on the identity of its head coach. And, for our bunch, that’s a really good thing.

Let’s get a new owner, get a new lease and get the season started off right. Go Hornets!

"You play to win the game."

by MrWayneKeller on Dec 23, 2011 8:15 AM CST reply actions  

Love how

there is CP3 for MVP talk now.

by RedHopeful on Dec 23, 2011 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

I mentioned to a friend how bitter I was that Chris Paul, in six years in New Orleans, never received the attention that he has after one week with the Clippers.

"You play to win the game."

by MrWayneKeller on Dec 23, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Article

Well done Rohan.

+6 differential sounds so unattainable right now when examining the NBA landscape and our roster. Unless we land another CP3 type impact player, I fear we may never hit that mark. I’d honestly be happy if we could end up in the 4/5 range. Noticed a lot of teams made the Finals with such numbers and perhaps this should be our expectation?

by RedHopeful on Dec 23, 2011 9:54 AM CST reply actions  

Well

If you look at the teams in the list and remove the ones that came out of obviously weak conferences, the rest of the lower differential teams pretty much all had established cores that had been together for a while. Or in other words, the majority of the teams on that list were +6 teams at some point in the past, if that makes sense.

I feel like it’s not just a matter of getting to +6 and having a shot the year that you do – +6 essentially signifies the opening of a championship window if you built your team properly.

by Rohan on Dec 23, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Unless we land another CP3 type impact player, I fear we may never hit that mark.

Yeah, this will be our biggest challenge for sure. But think about it this way. The ‘12 draft is filled with really excellent defensive players. What if we got a guy (maybe an Anthony Davis or Andre Drummond to put in the front court) that, offensively could be a +1 type player (a.k.a 18-19 PER) offensively, but could anchor a +4 or +5 defense? Keep in mind that the top defenses each year are routinely in the +6 to +7 range… they’re just usually not accompanied with very good offense.

Even if we don’t get an offensive superstar in this draft, I think it’s quite possible we could get a Gordon-level star that bolsters the D. Gordon (1) + Drafted Star (1) with a much improved Monty Williams Defense (+4 or +5)? That team could contend as early as the 2014 playoffs.

by Rohan on Dec 23, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point

Haven’t thought this out as much as you. I know who to come to now for differentials. :)

by RedHopeful on Dec 24, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Hawks sign Willie Green

Best of luck to Willie Green. Hope he can also set a franchise record over there for consecutive field goals made.

by MZURK on Dec 23, 2011 11:56 AM CST reply actions  

Rohan

I am not questioning your approach, but I think the Hornets are a classic example of how difficult these measures can be to apply when a team undergoes a complete overhaul. Will Ariza efficiency offensively be way up with legitimate outside presence in Gordon and low pot play in Kaman. Will Aminu blossom much like West blossomed after a rough first year? Will Jarrett Jack be able to distribute the ball? I will want to see about 25 games with this team to see what type of synergies they create for each other.

Basketball does not lend itself as easily to a sabremetrics approach like baseball. Not saying your measures are not useful, only that there is a lot of interdependence and that is hard to measure for a put together team like the Hornets

"I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it." Groucho Marx

by BenDerDonDat on Dec 23, 2011 3:01 PM CST reply actions  

+1 this ^^

Statistics in sports, IMO, are largely inaccurate or at least, varies from player to player or team to team. But the analysis still provides a nice perspective. Kudos to Rohan.

by RockyMountain on Dec 23, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree entirely

Rohan did a great job. Hornets present unique analytical challenge.

"I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it." Groucho Marx

by BenDerDonDat on Dec 23, 2011 6:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you
I think the Hornets are a classic example of how difficult these measures can be to apply when a team undergoes a complete overhaul

100% agree.

The toughest guy to project on this team is Gordon because he’s developing still and he’s moving to a completely new system. He’s also the most important component of our offense, so the range of team outcomes will be swayed quite a bit by how his season turns out.

Re: Ariza, I simply don’t think he’ll be “way up” offensively unless he goes back to playing the way he did with Los Angeles – low possession usage and reliance on slashing and cutting to the hoop. That style of play requires excellent passing (which he got from the Lakers from their excellent passing bigs as well as Kobe), and I don’t think Gordon will really help him return to that style unfortunately.

In any case, your overall point is still spot on. I do believe that the team will be in the 25-30 win range (I’m a bit more conservative than the numbers indicate), but the way the guys mesh together is something we’ll simply have to see on the floor.

by Rohan on Dec 24, 2011 12:51 AM CST up reply actions  

And I will admit

..that I have a soft spot for Ariza because I love the way he plays defense and I keep imagining he is as good an offensive player as he showed in Game 4 (?) against the Lakers last year. Dang those inconvenient statistics that say to the contrary.

"I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it." Groucho Marx

by BenDerDonDat on Dec 24, 2011 3:15 AM CST up reply actions  

What a game that was, eh?

If we’d had that Ariza for a full year…

/looks at Chris Paul preseason stats/

/cries/

by Rohan on Dec 24, 2011 4:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Once again, AtH, and Rohan, in particular...

…evidence basketball analysis at its finest. Anyone can spit out opinions. This article, though, obviously took a lot of work, and involved a deeper understanding than we can expect from the national media. Love the hard look at the new Hornets roster, and letting us know, statistically, what we can expect.

But don’t be mad at me if I say numbers be damned! I want wins! (But am okay with whatever happens.)

by m-W on Dec 23, 2011 7:57 PM CST reply actions  

Amazing read...thanks!

I’m really excited about this season- seeing how everything plays out. I do agree with your prediction here, but only time will tell. This should be fun!

by Downtowndave78 on Dec 23, 2011 10:53 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Hey Rohan

i’m a die hard mathematician and a hornets fan and I would really really like to be able to make those same analysis on our beloved hornets. What books and sources do you read? :)

by nikkoewan on Dec 27, 2011 5:23 AM CST reply actions  

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