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Hornets Trade Quincy Pondexter for Greivis Vasquez

Rumors of this deal have been flying around all week, and it looks like they've now come to fruition. The Hornets have traded swingman Quincy Pondexter to the Memphis Grizzlies for point guard Greivis Vasquez.

A quick analysis of the straight swap:

In: Greivis Vasquez, age 24, 6'6", 200, PG
Out: Quincy Pondexter, age 23, 6'6", 225, SF

Before starting, let's briefly address Pondexter's preseason game on Wednesday, where he was extremely active on the glass and, according to most accounts, looked like an improved player. It's preseason. Yes, players improve. Players improve all the time. But Pondexter was an old rookie, and it's unlikely he's suddenly morphed into a rebounding ace. It's understandable that in the face of the team's repeated past failures (J.R. Smith, Brandon Bass, Marcus Thornton) to retain young talent, the loss of Pondexter could sting a little.

Pondexter, though, has a ways to go in his development to stick around even as a rotation guy in the NBA long term. He wasn't quick enough to get past NBA quality defenders regularly, nor was he strong enough to overpower smaller matchups. He became more and more of a spot up option as the season progressed, and while his midrange game is decent enough (45%), it came in a very limited sample size.

Vasquez comes to New Orleans with very similar issues; in many ways, he's the point guard version of Pondexter. He was also old for a rookie (he's more than a year older than Quincy), he struggled with turnovers, and his floor percentages were up and down. Like Pondexter, he flashed his potential often enough. But Pondexter did it in a preseason game while Vasquez did it in the NBA playoffs.

On almost 50 offensive possessions, Vasquez produced 1.17 points per possession in the postseason (or a very effective ORtg of 117). Contrast that with Pondexter's ORtg of 102 during the year (107.3 was league average for the season). And Vasquez's standout playoffs performance came as part of a much improved second half of the year. After shooting 37% overall and 25% from three before the All-Star break, he flipped the script and shot 53% overall and 42% after the break. As Chris Herrington of the Memphis Flyer notes for this year's Basketball Prospectus, Vasquez became more comfortable with the NBA game through the year.

There's a definite upward trend here, something I wouldn't necessarily describe to be a part of Pondexter's year.

Positionally, the deal makes a lot of sense of course. The Hornets are currently starting a fringe starter/backup at the point, and backing him up with a third or fourth string option from the DLeague. Vasquez will at least be able to run the offense adequately off the bench.

Basically, Dell Demps moved a longshot prospect for another longshot prospect that's arguably the better player and definitely the better fit.

Welcome to New Orleans, Greivis, and best of luck in Memphis, Quincy. We'll still be rooting for you.

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Is he really better?

He did get more comfortable as the season went along because he got an opportunity, something Pondexter couldn’t get despite the lack of options at SF and an offensive abomination starting at that position. Its safe to say with more opportunities, Pondexter could have improved. The problem is, Demps and Monty are always playing for the present instead of building for the future. Its understandable since its their job, and they may have a short leash if new ownership decides to make a complete overhaul. However it doesn’t mean its the right decision. To me this another move which makes sense for the short term, but not long-term since Vasquez doesn’t project to be a starting PG in this league. Also, it validates Ariza getting a long look this season which he frankly doesn’t deserve.

by Hornets78 on Dec 24, 2011 5:19 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, I think he's arguably the better player

In terms of it being a short term decision over a long term one, neither one is likely to make a long term impact regardless. Neither player has much long term potential, and to me, Vasquez honestly has more if anything. But again, this move is just way too small to worry too much about it in either direction

by Rohan on Dec 24, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Vasquez

One thing of note is that Vasquez is a 6’6" point guard, which is a bit unusual.

But overall, I expected Quincy to be at least marginally improved this season and that would have made a nice difference. I think popular perceptions were wrong last season that Quincy was a bust. I think Quincy will prove some people wrong this seasons or next.

I don’t know whether Vasquez is really “better” now than Quincy. I think this trade was motivated by the need to fill a hole in our roster than than to get the better player.

by MZURK on Dec 24, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

meanwhile

Depth at SF looks more and more interesting ^^

by MZURK on Dec 24, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

I think neither will be starters in the short term and possibly long-term in this league. It does make the team a little better this season.

by Hornets78 on Dec 24, 2011 5:24 PM CST reply actions  

Raptors

Barbosa, Bargnani, Calderon, Alabi, Kleiza, Valanciunas, Ajinca,

by Rohan on Dec 24, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Not an International Player

By the way Vasquez is from the United states and played for Maryland. Not quite an international player.

by PhenomStatus on Dec 24, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Greivis Josué Vásquez Rodríguez; born January 16, 1987) is a Venezuelan basketball player with the New Orleans Hornets. He was born in Caracas and moved to the United States to attend high school at Montrose Christian School in Rockville, Maryland in 2004.

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Dec 24, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

My Bad

Just remember him tearin it up at Maryland. Probably one of the best college players at the time. If he can do in New Orleans what he did in college he will be a game changer in due time…..Word to Otis Nixon Braves to the death.

by PhenomStatus on Dec 24, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Otis, my man!

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Dec 27, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Decent deal

We desperately need more offense on this team and replacing Pondexter with Vasquez helps. We have had some poor trades of guys we drafted before, but I think Pondexter is more Hilton Armstrong than Brandon Bass.

by Huang Feng on Dec 24, 2011 7:54 PM CST reply actions  

I like this trade

Agree entirely with the analysis. We needed back up point guard. We were a bit oversupplied at small forward. Time for Aminu to step up.

"I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it." Groucho Marx

by BenDerDonDat on Dec 24, 2011 8:01 PM CST reply actions  

Its funny/crazy how .....

Just this morning I posted a comment on a blog about how Demps was trained how to scout overseas/international players from his time in San Antonio and some 10-12 hours later this happens…. Its just a little hard to swallow since Q Pon had a good game the other day and kinda shows he’s improving which is what you want to see from your guys. I really hate that he got traded to a team in our division and we didn’t get a player like Zach or Conley. I know Q Pon isn’t a guy to trade for either of those 2 BUT he’s MUCH better at his position than Hilton was at his. In the end, this is why Demps get paid the BIG BUCKS to make good chess like moves to improve the team’s depth.

by fshabazz on Dec 24, 2011 8:06 PM CST reply actions  

Wonder what this means regarding Squeaky?....

Dyson is listed behind Jack….. And another thing…. Jack is 6’4, Vasquez is 6’6, Dyson is 6’4….. We(I) asked for height although it was for the Center position….

by fshabazz on Dec 24, 2011 8:23 PM CST reply actions  

I think this trade has to do more with the NBA banking on the possible international that Gustavo Ayon could bring to the Hornets. Greivis Vasquez is fluent in both English and Spanish, and could be a tremendous help on the court for Ayon to develop and adjust to the style of play in the NBA.

by DWATT on Dec 24, 2011 9:30 PM CST reply actions  

international revenue*

by DWATT on Dec 24, 2011 9:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Quincy was going to be the player I root for this season

Every time I root for a player, they get traded. Baron, MT5, CP3, Quincy… I think I’ll be rooting for Ariza now

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by RedHopeful on Dec 26, 2011 2:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm so glad Pondexter's gone

Even though he didn’t break the team since his minutes were so low, I was so disgusted by that horrible RD1: Craig Brackins, RD2: Quincy Pondexter draft. Good luck to him. But good riddance. I watched Vasquez in college and he does have serious backup potential, this is a very, very good move

by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 25, 2011 12:39 AM CST reply actions  

Must Speak To

Monty’s trust in Aminu’s talents. From all the talk, I assumed they wanted to make something of Aminu but that he was going to start behind Ariza. In terms of a move for need, this was definitely needed. Vasquez immediately becomes the second string PG over Squeaky (although I wouldn’t mind Squeaky sticking around for awhile) and Pondexter can compete for minutes in Memphis.

I don’t know why, exactly, but I always liked Quincy. It would kill me how good he looked in spot minutes and how awful he was in the starters role when Ariza would get injured but I wish him all the very, very best.

"You play to win the game."

by MrWayneKeller on Dec 25, 2011 1:56 AM CST reply actions  

Lordie

I’m tired. I meant to say “they wanted to make something of Aminu but that he was going to start the season behind Pondexter.”

"You play to win the game."

by MrWayneKeller on Dec 25, 2011 1:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I also liked QP

I think he has a solid NBA future ahead of him, barring any Julian Wright like regressions.

by MZURK on Dec 25, 2011 2:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Eh

I’m never a fan of the deer in headlights looked. More times than not Q just sort of looked out of place out there. Never have liked rookies who appear to be afraid to step on toes.

by RedHopeful on Dec 26, 2011 2:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Was Just Thinking About It

And, wow, the Hornets don’t have anybody on the roster that they drafted…

"You play to win the game."

by MrWayneKeller on Dec 25, 2011 2:03 AM CST reply actions  

Might be for the best

Young player development has been rough.

by njennings on Dec 25, 2011 2:19 AM CST up reply actions  

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