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A Premature Draft Primer

That unibrow would go very well with a Hornets uniform.

Although it might be tough to consider on the heels of a dominant wire-to-wire victory against the Celtics, the Hornets will likely have at least one lottery pick in the 2012 draft, a draft that promises to be the deepest and most talented since 2003. Even though the Hornets are looking great right now, they still are nowhere near a +6 level team that would be expected to make the Finals. And the best way to go from a mediocre team to an excellent team is by drafting well, especially in a small market. Keeping that in mind, I’ll provide a quick field guide to watching College Basketball this year in light of the 2012 draft.

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The Picks

Barring any further deals, the Hornets will have two first-round draft picks next year: theirs and that of the Minnesota Timberwolves. According to Basketball Prospectus’s SCHOENE projections (which I’ll put more faith in than the results of two games), the Hornets are slated to post a 31-35 record, good for 11th in the Western Conference, and the Timberwolves are projected to finish 9th in the Conference at 34-32. If those projections are accurate, we can expect the Hornets to have two low-lottery slots, both between 7th and 14th.

That means the Hornets would most likely have a couple of picks in the low lottery range, but there’s still a reasonable chance the Bees could nab a top three pick. If we presume that the Hornets have two randomly distributed lottery slots somewhere between 7 and 14, they would have an 11% chance of getting one top three selection.

The purpose of the hilariously premature draft slot projections is to guide us in our scouting of prospects - the SCHOENE projections indicate that we should be focusing most heavily on draft picks projected to be selected towards the end of the lottery, but it wouldn’t hurt to have a look at the players projected to be drafted at the top, either.

The Needs

As a rebuilding project, the Hornets should definitely be drafting on talent, not on need. But generally, New Orleans should probably be searching for players that can fit into Monty Williams’s system. That means the Hornets will likely be looking to find a big that can be a defensive stopper, plus a wing player that can play good defense as well as be a high usage, high efficiency scorer. And with the presence of Gordon, the Hornets probably wouldn’t be wise to draft a Shooting Guard.

The Talent

By all accounts, the 2012 draft class is outstanding. It’s close to a double draft – lots of college players decided to stay an extra year with the uncertainty surrounding the lockout and will be in this year’s draft instead. Not only is the draft deep, it’s also filled with excellent top-end talent, especially for defensive specialists and power forwards. We’ll look at some of the big names by position:

PG

Sorry to disappoint those looking for the next Chris Paul, but there are no outstanding point guard prospects in this draft. Kendall Marshall (North Carolina) and Myck Kabongo (Texas) are both projected to be picked in the mid to late first round by Draft Express.

SG

There are some solid wing prospects expected to be selected in the lottery:

Bradley Beal (Florida): Excellent pure shooter, does best off screens, tends to pull up in the mid-range instead of attacking the rim.

Jeremy Lamb (UConn): Fantastic shooter, long arms, weak frame and doesn’t get to the foul line.

Terrence Ross (Washington): Huge (6’6"") swingman who can knock down tough shots, but has questionable shot selection.

SF

Harrison Barnes (UNC) is the big name at SF in this class, and for good reason - he has a perfect frame, flawless mechanics, and is a fantastic shooter. He’s a bit worse in catch and shoot situations, but he will almost certainly be a top-5 pick.

Quincy Miller (Baylor) is a wing player that can make his own shot with fantastic ballhandling skills. Although a good perimeter defender, he tends to not apply himself on defense.

Michael Gilchrist (Kentucky) is a fantastic perimeter defender who can guard well in isolations and has excellent awareness to play passing lanes. He’s a gifted scorer from the perimeter but a bit raw on ballhandling and shooting mechanics.

Terrence Jones (Kentucky) is somewhere between a face-up power forward and a big wing player. He started well for Kentucky but lost favor with Calipari late in the year.

PF

This is where the draft really shines - the Power Forward position is talented and deep.

Anthony Davis (Kentucky) is projected to go first in the draft - he sports a mean unibrow and plays incredible defense and has excellent raw skills on offense.

Jared Sullinger (Ohio State) - An excellent back to the basket scorer, Sullinger is also fantastic on the offensive glass and gets to the free throw line at a high rate.

Perry Jones (Baylor) - has incredibly high upside, an excellent midrange and perimeter game, but occasionally goes missing during games.

Thomas Robinson (Kansas) - A powerful defender, Robinson is also an efficient shooter and an excellent defensive rebounder.

John Henson (North Carolina) - Long (6’10") but skinny, Henson is a fearsome shot blocker and rebounder, but has a very raw offensive game, though he excels in pick and rolls.

C

Andre Drummond (UConn) - He has the perfect body and athletic profile for the center position, and he’s a defensive terror. He’s a bit raw on offense, but he will almost certainly be picked in the top three.

The top prospects tend to be clustered in a small number of teams – whenever Kentucky, UNC, or UConn play in nationally televised games, I strongly recommend taking a look at them and seeing how these prospects look.

As the season goes by, I’ll be posting more editions of At the Hive’s award-eligible "Better Know a Prospect" series, providing in-depth looks at each of these prospects. Until then, I’m gone like defense in the Alamo Bowl.

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Good Article

That’s an excellent little preview Brian, exactly what I was looking for.

With the background about the players you set forth, who would you say the Hornets should draft, if the Hornets have picks in the mid to late, say around the 6th and 10th pick?

by MZURK on Dec 30, 2011 9:43 AM CST reply actions  

I mean, this is all really premature

But I’d like to see us get a defensive big and a wing in the draft, so I’d like Thomas Robinson and Michael Gilchrist in the 6-10 range.

I think a lot will change, though, as the college season progresses. I’m going to try to start watching more of these players in my spare time, since I don’t have LeaguePass – Kentucky plays Louisville tomorrow at 11am Central, so that should be a good opportunity to look at all the ridiculous Kentucky talent.

by Brian Ball on Dec 30, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

By the way, regarding Barnes..

He wasn’t that good for a good portion of last season. He struggled with his shot. Then he went off for 40or so points and the spotlight was on him.

Makes me wonder whether he’ll really be an All-Star in the NBA.

by MZURK on Dec 30, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's absolutely true

But the physical skills are there, and he just seems like the perfect swingman. It’ll be interesting to see how he performs down the stretch this year.

Take a look at his stats here at Draft Express. Compared to all the rest of the top prospects, he seems pretty mediocre.

by Brian Ball on Dec 30, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think he's a franchise type player that everyone expects him to be.

He can’t seem to get to the basket at will like LeBron, Wade, Kobe, Durant. He’ll be solid.

by RockyMountain on Dec 30, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Great Preview

At first, I wanted the top scorers to add to our arsenal, which in my opinion is Harrison Barnes and Jeremy Lamb. However, I think Kidd-Gilchrist is the perfect fit for our team. The more I watch him, the more I like his game. He gets overshadowed a bit on the Kentucky team, but every game I’ve seen he has shined the most. He is a great defender, which is perfect for us. And his offensive game is improving, showing a variety of ways to score. I think we can get him in the 6-10 draft range. Next should be the PF, which is a toss up. But I think a couple of those guys mentioned will be off the board before our pick.

by aburton531 on Dec 30, 2011 10:45 AM CST reply actions  

Although....

I don’t see Minnesota finishing ahead of us in the standings… Which would be great for us, obviously.

by aburton531 on Dec 30, 2011 10:53 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, I tend to agree

Kevin Pelton, the guy who runs Basketball Prospectus, thinks that SCHOENE’s predictions for the T-Wolves seem wildly optimistic.

by Brian Ball on Dec 30, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Meh

They’re better than us on paper. I don’t know if I’d say it’s “wildly” anything

by Rohan on Dec 30, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

You're forgetting something

I like to use the world “wildly” a lot

by Brian Ball on Dec 30, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Lottery picks

Since you need really high picks to make successful change, and we can’t do anyting anout Minn., why would Dell not finish blowing up the roster and make sure the Hornets end up with a great pick? I know some fans think playoffs and titles, and I want us to win them all on one hand, but on the other, more realistic hand, I know that barely making the playoffs leaves us with a mediocre pick. I want what OKC has built. A franchise with a couple of great young players and the role players to compete for titles year in and year out. This is the year we can get in that position, so why wouldn’t we do everything we can? If Dell doesn’t make it happen, he’s not the GM I think he is.

by BRballb on Dec 30, 2011 10:54 AM CST reply actions  

You are right, but...

It’s true, the only way to rebuild is grabbing high draft picks and building from ground up. But that is what our Minnesota pick is for. The other 1st rounder will be decent at worst, and potentially really good. Honestly, there isnt much more to blow up. We wont have many suitors for Okafor and Ariza. Kaman is a valuable trade asset, but he also gives us cap room at years end. I want 2 top draft picks as well as anyone, but I am not in favor of tanking. I believe being such a young team, making the playoffs and gaining experience will be very valuable and overlooked by some people.

by aburton531 on Dec 30, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

RE: Tanking

Though I usually think it’s a good idea, I think Demps believes basketball in New Orleans is on the brink, and putting out an uncompetitive product will throw away all the goodwill from the “I’m In” campaign and the 10,000 season ticket holders, and I’m inclined to agree.

by Brian Ball on Dec 30, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Good Point...

A lot of those 10,000 would not be repeat customers if we are throwing away games. I mean every team would choose 2 lottery picks each year if they could, but it doesn’t have to be that way. Using a good pick with the Minnesota pick and grabbing a starter, and getting a quality guy between 12-20 would help tremendously.

by aburton531 on Dec 30, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

I dont believe that Minni will improve that much. They are better than the years before and many games will be closer than expected, but I still think that they los way more games than predicted. Even if we end up with one (worst case scenario) or two picks in the range of 6-10, this class is so deep that the chance of getting a star player is still really high.
Most casual fans want a team fighting for the playoffs and to Demps calculation seems to be to give the fans a competitive team and rightfully so. If Minni sucks, that would just be awesome.

by berlinhornets on Dec 30, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

They're also a young team

Close games will end up as losses to older, more experienced teams.

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by OnPointLikeCP3 on Dec 30, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Well...

I didn’t really agree with most of what he wrote, but he put good effort in to it… I guess it’s a mindset. He prefers the teams that go one-and-done every year, while I would prefer a contender. That’s why he opts for the trade with the Lakers/Rockets rather than the Clippers. I also think he is way off when he says “Don’t buy into potential picks, cap space, trade exceptions” because as a small market team, draft picks is really all you have to build upon…

by aburton531 on Dec 30, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

People Always

Look at OKC and at San Antonio and say “look, that’s all small market teams have to do to rebuild.” It’s not always that simple. How many David Robinson’s, Tim Duncan’s and Kevin Durant’s are out there to be had? In the new NBA, how many of them really want to stay with their teams?

I, in the long run, support what the Hornets did with the Clippers over the Rockets/Lakers trade. It’s definitely what I prefer. But it’s no more concrete than the other.

"You play to win the game."

by MrWayneKeller on Dec 30, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

True...

I should rephrase by saying, their is no guaranteed way to rebuild a winner. Otherwise every team would do it. Either way is a crap shoot. But in our specific situation, with the pieces we have in play now and the draft picks available to land at least 1 star player, I say thats our best route.

by aburton531 on Dec 30, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

And EG seems to be more of a

Kevin Durant personality. Seems like a guy who will stick with the team through thick and thin, not a GLOREE BOY AND FUTURE VICE LORD who will leave for a bigger market.

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by OnPointLikeCP3 on Dec 30, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I was wondering what you all thought about

Tony Wroten from Washington. He would be a big PG (6’5) and I know he has nice passing abilities. Of the players mentioned here, I like Drummond (who will probably gone by the time we pick, barring tons of injuries to key guys) and Gilchrist. I don’t understand why people love Barnes so much, I’m not overly impressed by him. I’d also like Perry Jones III.

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by OnPointLikeCP3 on Dec 30, 2011 3:02 PM CST reply actions  

Of all the players in the draft...

I like Gilchrist the best. I would say taking him in the first 3 spots is a reach, so I’m hoping we end end up with a 4th pick or in that area. We can take him, and then get the best big man available with the next pick

by aburton531 on Dec 30, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Or try to get Drummond early

and Gilchrist after.

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by OnPointLikeCP3 on Dec 30, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes that would be BEST for me...

But that would probably require 2 picks in the top 7, and I don’t know if we can get that. Maybe I’m being too optimistic, but I don’t see our pick being that high.

by aburton531 on Dec 30, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree

I think we should expect two picks in the late lottery, or the 9-14 range.

I know this is pessimistic, but I still expect our own record to be worse than Minnesota’s, so our pick should be the higher one

by Rohan on Dec 30, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Which is why...

I think we should target Thomas Robinson as our big man, if we do indeed go that route. He could land in the 10-15 range. He doesn’t have a flashy game, but good size and effort. It’s the type of game that you just can’t see being a bust, which is what we need. He’s a double double machine. HOWEVER, I am all in favor of trying to resign Carl Landry long term to be our PF, which could change our approach to the draft.

by aburton531 on Dec 30, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

ehhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I don’t get the T-Wolves love. No, they’re not going to be as bad as they were in recent years, I think they’ll be a projected top 8 lottery pick.

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by OnPointLikeCP3 on Dec 30, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

They basically replaced the worst coach in the NBA

with a top 10 coach in the NBA over the past 20ish years. That alone is going to win them a few extra games.

If Kevin Love continues his growth into a superstar, I definitely see them in the 30 win range. Their problem is they have too many filler type players around the Love-Beas-Rubio-Williams core

by Rohan on Dec 30, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

True. But you never can tell

what will happen in a full season. EG could get hurt, or Ariza, and before you know it, we’re 20-46. I’m not drinking the T-Wolves Kool Aid, and in that case we could have two top 7 picks.

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by OnPointLikeCP3 on Dec 30, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Not that I hope that happens

but at least we’d have a strong core for the future.

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Rally Squirrel will steal yo gurl.
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by OnPointLikeCP3 on Dec 30, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Good stuff

I love Jared Sullinger and he and Gordon, Aminu and Vasquez is a great young core to build around. If Monty, Demps and Co. are looking defense how bout Henson? Long, athletic and great on pick and rolls, he’d fit great in Monty’s system (I’m assuming “The Unibrow” Anthony Davis is off the board lol). Forget the wing guys, not worth nabbing with a top-10 or 15 pick

by Pueblo88 on Dec 30, 2011 3:25 PM CST reply actions  

Dunno

MKG and Beal look like they could be two way players..

by Rohan on Dec 30, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

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