Hornets Have Chris Paul Trade Offers from Los Angeles Clippers, Golden State Warriors, and Boston Celtics
by Rohan on Dec 6, 2011 6:41 PM CST
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PrintBoth CBS Sports' Ken Berger and Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski report that the Hornets are engaged in serious Chris Paul trade negotiations with a number of teams. Both specify that the Clippers and Warriors remain the Hornets' preferred trading partners and that both teams have been encouraged by Chris Paul's camp to possibly sign free agent center Tyson Chandler to a long term deal.
As of now, Paul's camp has not indicated that he'd guarantee signing an extension with any team outside of the New York Knicks or the Los Angeles Lakers. However, this doesn't seem to have deterred the Celtics, Warriors, and Clippers from making sizeable offers.
From Berger's and Wojnarowski's latest columns, here are the latest offers put forth by those three teams:
Clippers:
ALREADY INCLUDED: Eric Gordon, DeAndre Jordan (CBS)
POSSIBLY SOON INCLUDED: Eric Bledsoe, Al-Farouq Aminu, 2012 unprotected 1st round pick of the Minnesota Timberwolves (Y!)
Warriors:
ALREADY INCLUDED: Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson (Y!)
POSSIBLY SOON INCLUDED: signing of Tyson Chandler to make an extension more appealing to Paul (CBS)
ALREADY INCLUDED: Rajon Rondo, Jeff Green, 2 future first round picks (CBS)
POSSIBLY SOON INCLUDED: players from third party teams Celtics are currently pursuing (Y!)
Keep in mind that the "ALREADY INCLUDED" trade offers would be swaps that would not be contingent on Paul extensions; essentially, those are prices the Celtics, Clippers, and Warriors are willing to pay for a Chris Paul rental.
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Warriors
If G.S. truly is offering Curry and Thompson without assurance of an extension, I’m definitely down with that. Would LOVE to have Steph Curry over Gordon, but Deandre Jordan more than Klay Thompson. I just think Steph Curry gives you a “face of the franchise” aspect you can build with. Either way, HAS to be one of those offers. I’ve dreaded this day for a long time, but I’m actually….kindov….excited!?!
Yeah, Y! was more vague
But CBS did.
At this point, Berger (who broke the lockout) and Wojnarowski (who broke 97% of NBA stories in 2010-2011) are the two most trusted sources out there
Clippers trade gets you some nice pieces
and if you could get two picks from them it’s tough to beat, but I like that a deal with GS would get us a star-caliber player in return. That’s tough to come by, even if we got two lottery picks.
But..,
Gordon is a star with injury concerns, at the end of his contract, and owed 11 million this year.
Curry is my choice as well.
by Downtowndave78 on Dec 6, 2011 8:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, but Gordon's missed 46 games the last two years
Steph has missed 8 and was also very durable in college
You would too
if your offense was a nonstop run-’n-gun
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I like Gordon over Curry
But it has more to do with the fact that I like SG led team more than a PG led team. This team has needed CP3 to set them up to score points. Getting a player that can create their own shot would be a breath of fresh air….
prefer Rondo to Curry
Not a big fan of Curry, even though his dad played for the Hornets.
He’s a fantastic shooter, but she’s a mediocre point guard and he doens’t play much defense. Don’t know how much better those aspects will get even as he matures. We’d be woeful if he is our point guard in a rebuilding situation.
Rondo is a proven winner who hounds his man on defense and is a true floor general. He’s had injury issues and can be a liability on offense and at the free throw line at times, but would prefer him to Curry. Plus Rondo tends to step up when it counts.
Rondo over Curry for me.
Horrible shooter
Plus his assist totals are largely inflated by the teammates he plays with. Imagine the stats Williams or Paul would have if they played on that team. It would be historic.
true
But scoring is the least important thing for a point guard, in my opinion.
Regardless of whether his assists are inflated or not, there’s no doubt that Rondo plays like a real point guard and is one of the best at setting up his teammates.
Look at his historic playoff stats. So many triple doubles and near triple doubles. And that’s when it really counts. Who can dislike a player who turns his game up a notch come playoff time.
As for Curry, he brings nothing else, other than scoring.
I don't think
Rondo could set up teammates nearly the way he does if he wasn’t surrounded by three hall of famers. Someone did a study recently on how Rondo’s assist figures plummet without Ray Allen on the floor (it was something like -3 assists/36 minutes) and there’s no question his “creation” statistics are inflated.
Curry’s an underrated passer as well. The problem is that Golden State didn’t use him in optimal roles for large parts of the season; he was randomly yanked from games, etc, and playing alongside Monta Ellis has hardly helped him as a defensive player
fall of famers = hall of hospitalers
Those hall of famers are breaking down half the time so Rondo has had to play with all sorts of teammates.
Curry’s a great shooter, but what would happen to his %s if he didn’t play in an uptempo GSW style and started playing in grind it out half court sets of Boston? From that perspective, Curry’s numbers may be inflated as well.
Range Shooting %
stays remarkably constant system to system, historically in the NBA. If you can shoot it, you can shoot it.
it helps when you're shooting open shots in transition
Almost all players %s are better in an up tempo offense.
Just look at what the NO offense did to shooting %s of players like Jarrett Jack, Marcus Thornton, etc. In fact, other than the players who are good at half court, like David West or Carl Landry, almost every player’s shooting %s are lower in a slow down offense. No doubt.
Slowing the pace down means less easy baskets, less 3 on 2s and less 1 on 1 or 1 on none breakaways.
Just 32% of Curry's long twos (16-23 feet)
19% of his midrange (10-15 feet) and 11% of his close range (3-9 feet) shots were assisted last year. Trust me, Curry did a lot of creating for himself last year, and I think arbitrarily writing off any of his success to “open shots in transition” is a disservice to him
still
I did say that he’s a great shooter (“Curry’s a great shooter”). But we’re talking about whether any stats are inflated. Inevitably, in an up tempo offense, you get some easy baskets, particularly the guards.
I have no doubt that he created his shot a lot. But it’s easier to create your shot when you have the ball in a 3 on 2 or 1 on 1, then when you’re coming down the court against a half court set defense.
The greater availability of those kinds of situations in an up-tempo offense boosts FG%s.
If Rondo played in GSW’s offense, his FG% would also be higher. If Curry played in Boston’s half court offense where transition and breakaway opportunities are fewer, his FG% would be lower.
anyway
Anyway, it’s good to be having these spicy little arguments again about basketball.^^
The lockout bummed me out. Hopefully, these chats will get me back into the mood of NBA basketball.
Overall
Overall, I like the potential Clippers offer.
Gordon is a keeper and Jordan can be a total beast like Chandler used to be. Although still very raw, he can really dominate a game with his defense and rebounding at times—when he’s on his game.
Rondo and Jeff Green would also be a good swap. I like Rondo as I mentioned above, and I think Green has had a bad fit, playing out of position and off the bench. He’s a talented player. But he still managed over 15ppg as third wheel in OKC.
GSW? I’ll pass. Don’t think you can build around Curry for the reasons I pointed out above. By definition, it’s hard to build around a tweener, which is what Curry is, although a very talented one. At point guard he brings a truly atrocious AST/TO ratio. Doesn’t play D. Where would he play for NO? Who would he guard? No idea about Thompson’s game.
Not me
I’m only excited about the clippers and warriors options.
by Downtowndave78 on Dec 6, 2011 9:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
But I don't think rondo wants to be with a franchise that is rebuilding
After so much success in Boston. Curry is unproven and no one knows how great he can or can’t be, but if he is great we will have a very good shot of him extending his contract with us after his rookie contract expires.
The bottom line is if we picked up Thompson, Curry, and Udoh all of a sudden we are stacked with lottery picks which is what rebuilding teams do. Better sooner than later in my opinion.
by Downtowndave78 on Dec 6, 2011 9:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Please Demps get Eric Gordon
We need an immediate star in New Orleans, the city won’t wait for back-end picks or anything less than the best you can press out of the Clippers or Warriors
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 6, 2011 9:53 PM CST reply actions
BREAKING NEWS!!!
Jeff Green is a mediocre player.
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by 504life on Dec 6, 2011 10:15 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Green
In Green’s three seasons in OKC (not counting his rookie season in Seattle), Green averaged around 15 points, 6 rebounds, 44% FGs, 33% threes, 78% FTs and a steal per game.
Nothing wrong with that really for a player playing third fiddle.
I would slightly prefer GSW to LAC
Steph Curry is an amazing shooter, on a Reggie Miller level. That is a franchise player. And I have no doubt his defense would improve under coach Monty. But the prospect of getting Eric Gordon and some draft picks would be nice too, considering how strong this year’s draft will be.
franchise player?
Is Curry really a franchise player? The kind of player you build your team around?
No doubt he’s an amazing shooter. But where do you play him if he’s at NO? Do you play him at point guard (keep in mind 5.9 Asts and 3.1 TOs last year)? Do you play him at shooting guard (6’3" and 185 lbs)?
And who do you start alongside him in the back court? A shooting guard? A point guard? Even if he does improve on defense, how much do you realistically expect that he will improve guarding players 3 inches taller and 30-40 points heavier than him night in and night out?
Curry is an amazing shooter and an average player at best in most other aspects of the game. A one-dimensional talent is by definition, not a franchise player in my opinion.
Interesting that you mention Reggie Miller. In fact, one analyst did a write up once where he divided all shooting guards into Jordans (i.e., do it all multi dimensionals guards) and Millers (i.e., focused single dimensional talents) and came to the conclusion that you definitely want your SG to be a Jordan-type than a Miller. I agree that Curry is in the Miller class. But you don’t want to build your team around a Miller.
I dunno
Miller and his team had a legitimate chance to win it all more than several times. Isn’t it better to at least put the team into position than hope for that generational talent? Don’t forget to factor in our fragile fan base and market.
Yeah
Any superstar we get in New Orleans now apparently will just want to leave anyways.
"You play to win the game."
by MrWayneKeller on Dec 7, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
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