Hornets Reportedly Have Agreed to Send Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers
by Rohan on Dec 8, 2011 5:08 PM CST
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I'm sorry Rohan...
and while it’s not really funny, I am almost in tears cracking up at your tweets.
This is a dumb trade for the Hornets.
As a Kings fan I’m happy Paul isn’t on the Clippers, but I think the Clipps did have the best asset’s in return. Wonder what the underlying motivation here is.
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by pookeyguru on Dec 8, 2011 5:11 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
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Clipper Nation is right there with you.
This SUCKS. I can’t believe we just sat through a whole lockout only to watch the NBA basically rig the next few seasons for their favorite franchise.
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"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
I feel for you guys in ClipsNation
The trade was the perfect fit for both teams, this just sucks. Why of why olshey did you low ball them so hard?
by ClipperFon on Dec 8, 2011 5:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
+1
I’m furious at Olshey. It would have been a great fit, and they could/SHOULD have been able to work something out. Instead he signed old creaky Caron Butler for too much money. I love(d) the Clippers, but Olshey pissed me off with this. He should have been able to play ball
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 8, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
lol...what do you dummies not understand?
so you wanna give up Gordon and god knows what else for 1 yr of Paul just to cockblock the lakers, knowing he DOES NOT WANT TO BE THERE and REFUSES TO STAY.
i’m glad Neil O is running the team and not you guys.
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Dec 8, 2011 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
it's not trolling. just tired of all the ignorance floating around
everyone acting like the Clips were on even ground with the lakers, knicks and had some sort of upper hand and blew it etc. then you have our knee-jerk fans wanting just ANY move and wanting to cockblock the lakers more than worry about the welfare of our own team. just trying to quell the idiocy.
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Dec 8, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
Oh my
1) We had better get some damn good picks
2) If we don’t, I have lost all faith in Demps
3) If this happens, the one happy takeaway I have is a great, giant fuc* you to the Golden State Warriors & Los Angeles Clippers for playing hardball, and I hope this egg in their face turns into a pie for a long, long time
4) We had better not just be getting Gasol and Odom and spare parts. If we are the Grizzlies a la “Pau Gasol for Jarvaris Crittenton” I will lose all faith in the future of the franchise. No way we survive if we’re dealing for old expensive guys that can neither be with us in the long-term nor guarantee that their production will be what it’s been in their prime with the Lakers
5) Dell Demps you had better have gotten a good haul. If you gun-jumped when we still have time before the season starts, you’ve lost the fans
6) This had better be a damn good deal and not wrought from desperation and/or expediency.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 8, 2011 5:21 PM CST reply actions
disgusting
And CP3, have fun playing for Mike Brown’s offense. It’s about as limber as he looks.
Dell Demps, if you haven’t secured some picks you’ve lost me
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 8, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
he'd better have a plan
these upcoming drafts are stocked with talent
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 8, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
right
this has to be part of the 3 team trade
confirmed?
are we getting anything else? sigh…..Surely other teams had better to offer? also the only positive I see if Knick’s getting told F U :P
Woj's last tweet
Hornets working to finalize details on 3-team deal to send Chris Paul to Lakers, Gasol to Rockets and Odom, KMart, Scola to NO, sources say.
odom, kmart, and scola?
What about picks? id almost rather have gasol. How old is kmart?
seriously
odom, kevin martin, and scola aren’t exactly going to reinvigorate fans back to the Arena. If we don’t get picks before the season starts, and i don’t believe i’m succumbing to hyperbole, it’s over IMO
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 8, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
Twolves fan here
Sorry guys. Honestly…………. Hoping you guys have a smooth rebuilding process.
Thanks Hornets
You just helped the league sell about 4 million Paul La Lakers and a other 5-8 years of LA dominating the basketball world once they follow up and get Howard……The rest of the league surely thanks you,……
by Chezleite on Dec 8, 2011 5:29 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Relevant quotes
The Hornets are not interested in Gasol (who has three years and $57 million left on his deal), but in the last 48 hours they have put out feelers to try to gauge league-wide interest in the 31-year-old forward.
Houston has been actively pursuing centers. Rockets officials have met with free agents Nene and Samuel Dalembert in the last week. While a source close to Nene said he has not made any decision, rival executives believe he is headed back to Denver. However, Houston is also still in the mix for the longtime Nugget. The Rockets want Gasol, who would become the low-post presence they have craved since Yao Ming went down with injuries.
Sources involved in the talks said the Hornets have been reluctant to close any deal until they are sure they have the best offer. A source said Boston has redoubled its efforts in the last 24 hours to put together a trade for Paul.
With Boston president Danny Ainge believed to be willing to do a deal without assurances that Paul would stay beyond this season, there are indications that the Hornets are still very intrigued by the possibilities with the Celtics.
A potential deal including point guard Rajon Rondo, restricted free agent Jeff Green and two 2012 first-round draft picks (one from the Clippers that is protected in the top 10 for the next four years, the other the Celtics’ pick) would give the Hornets two starters and the potential for more young pieces to come. The package could provide the sort of youthful foundation that Hornets general manager Dell Demps is searching for in a post-Paul era.
But there would be concerns for the Hornets should they make a deal with Boston that doesn’t involve a third team, which potentially could bring more attractive assets. Besides the fact that Rondo and Green are not players the Hornets have coveted, the value of the picks could be minimized if the Clippers become a top-10 team and the Celtics finish near the top again, resulting in a late-20s draft position on the second first-round selection.
A Celtics source said the fact that free-agent center Tyson Chandler is close to a deal with New York — which would effectively eliminate the Knicks’ ability to sign Paul outright as a free agent next summer — has the Celtics pushing harder, believing that if they can make a trade with New Orleans, Ainge and coach Doc Rivers can persuade Paul to sign long term.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 8, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
Update
Report: Chris Paul to be traded to the Lakers for Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom
Woj:
The Hornets have started to inform teams that they’re sending Chris Paul to the Lakers for Bynum and Odom, league sources tell Y! Sports.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 8, 2011 5:35 PM CST reply actions
That's an older tweet
There’s a correction that says from Pau and Odom, then another indicating a 3 team trade
Damnit dl;afj;f9sdfijo damnit yep njennings is correct
Now I’m reading reports that it’s a 3-team like “abraves” said above. If we get Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, and Lamar Odom rather than go for Bynum and Odom I’ll be apoplectic
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 8, 2011 5:40 PM CST reply actions
Last update I've got
ESPN reporting that
“the Hornets would receive either Luis Scola or Kevin Martin, and possibly both, as well as draft picks. Houston owns the New York Knicks’ first-round pick from 2012, as well as its own.”
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 8, 2011 5:43 PM CST reply actions
Lol, I'm hearing rumors that Goran Dragic is headed our way
Please be not true
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 8, 2011 5:50 PM CST reply actions
If Paul goes to the Lakers...
…is is too early to call the new CBA an abject failure?
#2 Sean Marks fan on the blogs
i was pro-owners and cheering for stern
and don’t regret it, i just hope Demps makes good on competitive balance and doesn’t fall on his own sword jumping the gun here
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 8, 2011 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
That would be amazing if this was just hard bargaining by Demps
To get the Warriors and Clippers to up the ante and offer up Curry and Gordon
This is only possible justification
that Demps actions. Otherwise, he should be fired.
I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!
Not terrible
If they get some picks this isn’t that bad of a deal. Quality players all around, Kmart can score, Scola is a quality big man, Odom an all around solid player and that Dragic kid has looked pretty good.
Hey it's Mitch Kupchak!
Welcome to ATH Mitch
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 8, 2011 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
Better to unload him and get something then hold their balls and wait for him to leave
Probably wasn’t a better deal out there. I would rather get the players in this deal than just Rondo and Jeff Green. If there’s draft picks they can draft a quality Star type player.
the season doesn't start tomorrow you know
i’m pretty sure nobody would malign Demps as “ball-holding” if he was able to get more than an aging 6th-man on the years who got looks with various permutations of Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum, and Ron Artest on the floor, a good frail scorer who makes his meal ticket/efficiency by getting fouled enough times to get to the stripe 10-20 times a game, and a point guard the Suns with an aging Steve Nash and the Rockets with long-indeterminate status at PG were willing to let loose in exchange for CP3.
Thank God the deal is apparently on hold. It sucks.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 8, 2011 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
As a former Sonics fan this pisses me off!
Not just because the CBA was an abject failure and the rich just get richer but because………….The Hornets will be moved to Seattle soon and we will inherit your shitty roster.
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
I would not trust the NBA's refs anywhere near that sports-gambling mecca.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
If this turns out to be true
Demps should be fired. This is ridiculous. The last three big moves he made (Collision, Thorton, and Paul) have left us with nothing. This deal is utter crap. I would have rather watched Chris Paul play in a hornets uniform for one last year and get nothing when he walked away rather than this.
I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!
by Mikethetiger on Dec 8, 2011 6:06 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
how would this have been a bad trade?
look at what the nuggets did – they became a dynamic team with all their mid-level talent they acquired. every one of the guys we would have gotten could start on our team. kevin martin = close to all-star, possible future scoring champion, dragic = steve nash 2.0, scola = amazing rebounder which we sorely need, lamar = time to unleash the beast (if he doesnt retire), not to mention a first round pick! Cmon man Chris Paul is 100% leaving us why would you rather nothing instead of extremely solid assets?
I'd rather have A'mare
than what the Hornets are getting here. Wow.
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You should get Knick picks
David Aldridge reporting you will get he Knick picks owned by Houston. There are probably other picks but I am not sure what others you are getting.
I'm not a Hornets fan,
but I wanted to see the reaction to this trade. I have to say, you guys seem to be taking it better than I would. Odom, Scola, and Martin are all quality players, but for one of the 10 best players in the world? You need to get much more than that.
by Some Guy Named Gabbo on Dec 8, 2011 6:23 PM CST reply actions
Mitch Kupchak again!
You don’t have to use multiple names Mitch
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 8, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
This is why the NBA Sucks - From the Commish to the Owners and then the Players
Problem 1 – The owners should have insisted on have a franchise tagged player
Problem 2 – The Commis has no balls and no intellegence to run a league
Problem 3 – There needs to be a true salary cap so that the smaller market teams can compete with the richest teams (Lakers, Bulls, Mavs, Nets, etc…). Once each team as a true salary and not a damn luxury tax, all teams are equal. The NFL is the perfect example of this as well as problem 1.
Problem 4 – During this CBA everyone was only worried about revenu share and not how the teams can stay equal. Owners, League, Fans, you are screwed as there will eventually be 6 elite teams (chosen by the players) and all other teams will never be able to compete, therefore, no attendance, therefore no team.
Problem 5 – FANS NEED TO START COMPLAINING AND BOYCOTTING GAMES!!! Yes, I know there are fans that wil always have good teams (see reasons above), but smaller market teams, walk away.
Problem 6 – New Orleans will loose the franchise!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Problem 7 – Other smaller market teams will soon have the same problem if they get a star on their team that once to leave.
F THE HORNETS FRONT OFFICE, F THE COMMISH, F THE LEAGUE. This is why the NBA will always take a back row seat to the NFL. I hope this league fails so that these overpaid players screw themselves as well.
by Screwed on Dec 8, 2011 6:27 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Nuggets fan here
Seriously, hornets fans are complaining about this trade? You get a sixth man of the year in Lamar Odom, one of the best drivers to the basket and foul drawers in the game in Kevin Martin, a solid if not spectacular back up point guard in Goran Dragic, and one of the more underrated players in the game in Luis Scola. You guys made a steal of a trade considering you could have gotten nothing next year. You even did better than what we got for Melo, and people said that was a great trade for us nuggets.
Stay Alive
by GHill33 on Dec 8, 2011 6:34 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
A steal???
Surely you are joking… They gave us no young talent, no draft picks, no star to build around… I would take D West and Carl Landry over Scola and Odom. I would definitely take the guys you got in the Melo trade.
GSW fan here
I wanna know how two old dudes and a plateuing Kmartin is better than Ellis + Udoh + Klay thompson….
we’re just as pissed here that the team down south is getting better AGAIN.
by stevvy89 on Dec 8, 2011 6:38 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think it had more to do with where Chris Paul would sign an extension
Chris held all the cards in the trade
Bottom Line
To stop this kind of SHIT, the league needs a TRUE Salary Cap (not this BS Luxury Tax that the richest owners can afford) and they need a franchise tag player. The richest get richer and the smaller market teams get F’D.
nets fan here
sorry NOH. it would be awful if this happened to our PG so feel ur pain
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I said you might as well have let him walk if you were getting these offers. This happens under Stern’s watch too! Seems fishy. And I’m at work and I’m getting no updates but texts from people making fun of me for what the Hornets got. I’m embarassed to be a Hornet fat tonight.
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by MrWayneKeller on Dec 8, 2011 6:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions
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by MrWayneKeller on Dec 8, 2011 6:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
HOW YOU THINK I FEEL, I WORK FOR THIS TEAM
F THE HORNETS FRONT OFFICE, F THE COMMISH, F THE LEAGUE. This is why the NBA will always take a back row seat to the NFL. I hope this league fails so that these overpaid players screw themselves as well.
by Screwed on Dec 8, 2011 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If you're a bobcats fan
You have no room to laugh… punk!
by njennings on Dec 8, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bulls fan here
you guys have the corrupt NBA to thank for this one. The NBA owns the Hornets. David Stern just directly made the Lakers better.
sucks that you guys get the raw end.
The NBA-owned Hornets traded Chris Paul to the Lakers. The league directly made the Lakers better. Oh.
Regardless who the draft pick is, three good role players were gotten.
THREE. Not to mention Odom who is one of most versatile players in the league.
by AV. on Dec 8, 2011 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
I'm optimistic about this deal.
Really am.
I do think you guys got screwed, however.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
I’ve been a Hornets fan since I was a kid watching Muggsy Bogues wear the teal in Charlotte, so I’ve seen some bad terrible years, but this is it. This is the worst it’s ever been.
CP3 is an incredibly special player, and to just trade him for a bag of sweatbands is utter crap. The team should’ve done everything in their power to keep him around. This is just embarrassing- and I’m a Calgary Flames writer, so I know embarrassing trades when I see them.
I need a drink.
by ArikJames on Dec 8, 2011 6:50 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I Keep Checking My Phone
To see if the deal has changed!! Why, Demps, why?!
"You play to win the game."
by MrWayneKeller on Dec 8, 2011 6:51 PM CST via mobile reply actions
GORAN DRAGIC!!!
Have ya’ll actually seen this kid play? The next Steve Nash. He can drain 3’s, pass, and has great pump fakes to get easy layups. This was the next best thing besides getting Steph Curry.
I like Dragic....
I actually like everyone involved in this trade. I didn’t like them when they were playing against my team though. We pretty much knew it would be hard to get = value for Chris Paul.
He's a pile of crap. He fouls way too much and his FT% is around 65%.
He can’t distribute and he can’t play defense. All he can do is shoot, but not 3s very well. He was shooting in the 20%s on 3s when the Suns traded him last year.
Demps better flip this guy to someone else pronto.
by dsharp on Dec 8, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+100
If Dragic was good and fraught with potential, why would Phoenix, with an aging Steve Nash riding into the sunset, and Houston, with no true PG on the team, both be so willing to toss him asunder? Could it be that he’s not good? I wonder!
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 8, 2011 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
After Goran Dragic scores 23 points in the 4th quarter of the Western Conference Semifinals against the Spurs – “I think it’s safe to say that may have been the best fourth-quarter performance I have ever seen in a playoff game,” Suns forward Grant Hill
Obviously you’ve never watched him play.
P.S. He’s only 25. Still PLENTY of room for potential, especially for a guy who uses his smarts instead of athleticism to be good.
Jazz fan
Aside from passing Paul off to the hated Lakers, which makes me want to stab out my eyeballs, this actually looks like a potentially good deal for you. Face it Hornets, you weren’t going anywhere if you didn’t get a slew of support players even with Chris Paul. If you get Dragic, Odom, Scola, and some picks, it was a great deal. We did it last year with Devin Harris, Derrick Favors, and the picks for D-Will. It’s going to change up the roster, but it may well be the best way forward.
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Agreed
Every time you trade a star in this situation you’re going to get nickels and dimes for your dollar. I’m excited that Dragic is included, I really think he could be a very good player in the right system.
Good Deal for Hornets
This seems to be a good deal for the Hornets considering the situation. Scola’s numbers (18/8) are similar to D West’s. Martin’s a 20+ scorer, we get a backup pg in Dragic and maybe we trade Odom for a draft pick by the trade deadline. Considering that we were kinda backed into a corner this looks good to me.
Backup PG? Backup to who???
This pile of crap is our starting PG, I’m afraid.
With his 65% FT shooting…
ought to be great for us in the last two minutes of games, eh?
Ok
Now with this batch of new players, Monty has how many days to get them ready for the season? I’m afraid all we’ll get to is the players introducing themselves to one another and the next minute we’re tipping off against the Suns.
It'll be interesting to see all of these pure offense players
play on Monty’s half-court, slow paced, defensive team
Well
I agree I’m scared defensively with Martin and Scola. HOWEVER, we do have Ariza and Okafor. If there is any relief, it IS the fact we are very deliberate. We have some very good offensive weapons now and a pretty dynamic PF in Odom.
The more I think about it, I really don’t feel (based on all the rumors) that we could’ve gotten better for our existing system. At worst, we’ve got some very good parts that could be offloaded for picks if our new experiment fails. At best, we’ll have a playoff possible team that just added a whole lot of talent for a 1 year rental. I’m VERY curious about the pick that we’re supposed to get from the Rockets too. Anyone with any insight on this?
It's the pick from the Knicks
They’ll probably make the playoffs is A’mare and Tyson stay healthy so it’ll be a high pick
Middle of the road
isn’t the worst and you never know what will happen this season. Besides, isn’t the draft supposed to be deep?
How much different....
will training camp be from last season though? Monty had to install some different things to a whole slew of new guys. He was new as well.
Right...
he’s probably not done. It’s just starting.
i hope
i really, really hope he’s not finished and that he knows exactly what he’s doing
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 8, 2011 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
He might not make another huge splash in the near future
but I can definitely see us being active before the deadline if this new team falls on its face.
i guess it aint bad
we basically filled our roster and we didnt have to spend too much.
KMART is a good starting point, goran could be a very good starter given playing time, scola is a dwest clone, and i would not be surprised to see odom flipped for picks. also the possible unprotected knick pick might be good
I could actually
see Kmart and Scola traded before Odom simply because they do not fit into Monty’s defense first system.
Disagree
We have a competent small forward. We don’t have a competent power forward or shooting guard with West still a free agent. Also, keeping Odom would mean sacrificing Ariza, by far our best defensive player.
Unless Demps flips Odom and/or Scola for something else...
This thing is just getting started.
Actually
I think I read somewhere that SA was one of the teams interested in a sign and trade for West. I’d hate to see him stay in the SW but I wonder who we could get for him.
Disagree
defensively they are liabilities but they fit our system of walking the ball up and getting into a set offense every time. If we learned anything last year, Monty’s scheme with our then existing players kept us in every game, but the lack of firepower really REALLY hurt.
Besides, think about it. Is Martin and Scola THAT much of a downgrade defensively from Belinelli and our zillion SG’s + DWest. I say definitely not.
I’ll be very curious to see Rohan’s post about this but I guess it’ll be more positive than many of our initial reactions. Just remember, getting the best possible deal and having it done before the start of the season was the biggest thing. Could we have gotten something better down the road? Maybe, but it’s nothing any of us would have wanted to go through.
By they way
if the Lakers somehow manage to flip Bynum, Walton, and Blake to Orlando for Howard and Anderson then I will be mad.
just wrote a fanpost
I would like for you guys to read it. I don’t think the Hornets trading Chris Paul is the end of the world, and free agency is not done. I think Dell Demps is not done. I think depending on what happens the Hornets very well could still be a playoff team this year.
Completely sucks! This league is set up for big market teams to have their way with smaller ones.
Why don’t they just contract to 8 teams and be done with it?
"Sources say"
This is a great deal. As for me, I’m going cry myself to sleep
Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!
Sorry guys.....As a Nets fan
too bad we r gonna receive a similar fate…..Free agency has not been going our way….on the bright side
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
NBA owners have pushed commissioner David Stern to kill the deal sending Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers, sources tell Y! Sports.
Dwight or bust....
Superbowl or bust...
I'm even more pro-owner than I was before
And I am now unequivocally anti-Stern
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 8, 2011 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Deal is off
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
ESPN CP3 trade latest: Trade with Lakers will NOT go through Friday and Chris Paul is expected in Hornets camp, according to sources
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
It was not immediately clear, sources said, if three-way trade involving Hornets, Lakers and Rockets is merely snagged or in jeopardy
by Grrranderson on Dec 8, 2011 7:57 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
For the reasons I've already mentioned
saga would be done b4 training camp and it was probably the best deal out there.
They get to keep CP3,
but he is leaving anyway, and they now wouldn’t get the 6th man of the year and 2 borderline all-stars. As well as a decent backup point guard and 2 draft picks.
Just wait and see what happens....
just because it’s off today doesn’t mean it won’t be back on tomorrow or another deal won’t be in the works. Just hold on.
Rockets actually save money in the deal
If Rockets amnesty Thabeet, they have enough for a max free agent. Personally, I don’t want Nene on a max contract. Either way, not sure how this serves as consolation to you.
by Moochie's Fro on Dec 8, 2011 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not a Rockets fan
I just read that with the trade they were saving $13 million and were going after Nene or Marc Gasol. I think Marc and Pau would be the start of a a pretty good frontcourt.
I am a Rockets fan; I only troll here
If the trade still happens, Rockets have following:
$7MM cap space + $11MM KMart + $9MM Scola + $2MM Dragic = $29MM
- $19MM (Pau) = $10MM
+ $5MM (amnesty Thabeet) = $15MM
I hope like hell it’s not Nene, though such a big front-court is intriguing, i must admit.
by Moochie's Fro on Dec 8, 2011 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
Looks like it's official.
According to Yahoo! the commish blocked the trade after the other owners complained. Where were these owners last year when Miami basically did the same thing. I know the players were going to sign with the Heat anyway, but both signings turned into sign and trades.
Well see.....
wasn’t this what the part of the lockout was supposed to be about? Because of what happened last year with Miami? We were all questioning what was the lockout for if this sort of thing was still allowed to happen. Other than revenue sharing and other things, I thought they were trying to stop these superteams from forming.
I can't imagine the trade doesn't go through
It’s not a great trade for Hornet fans, obviously. But it sounds like the other owners are just being crybabies.
If you’re lucky, this gives GSW/Clippers a sense of urgency to finally include Stephen Curry/Eric Gordon in a deal. But I think their respective teams like those players too much. I posted this previously, which wasn’t very popular, as you can imagine. WIthout any leverage, you weren’t going to get anything but dimes and quarters for CP3, so in terms of TOTAL TALENT, Odom, Scola, KMart, Dragic, and a #1 were about as well as you can do. But I don’t see how a re-building team agrees to this package of players.
by Moochie's Fro on Dec 8, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
Odd
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski The NBA is now pushing New Orleans GM Dell Demps to pull the plug on the trade and keep Chris Paul, league sources tell Y! Sports.
Chris Broussard
Says the Lakers feel they got screwed and want a big guy back. Possibly DWest in a sign and trade. WTF??? Really?!?!?! The LAKERS got screwed????
Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!
Actually
if you look at their roster they would have no one outside of CP3 and Kobe, Bynum will be hurt by February so I don’t count him.
Steve Kyler Tweet
At $26 mil under the cap, Hornets would need to send at least $5.5 mil more to LA… and renounce all free agents
Bill Simmons Tweet
Chris Paul is going to love Los Angeles – this city has the best knee surgeons in the country.
Lol
Bill Simmons is dumb....
He already had the best knee surgeon. They don’t come no better than Dr. James Andrews.
Guys
if they kill this deal. What on earth does this mean? Seriously. What kind of precedent would we be talking about now? I guess New Orleans isn’t free to transact with whomever they wish and must get less in return or just lose CP3 for nothing?
Now that you mention it
Mark Cuban had a cow last year when we acquired Landry. Seems like we can’t do anything without someone complaining.
Yeah
but why on earth are the owners outraged!?! This is absolutely ridiculous if they are allowed to influence something of this magnitude. I’ll have seriously lost almost all my remaining respect for the league…
Warriors fan here
I’m very sorry this happened. The NBA has set an awful precedent.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
Wow
Some owners pushed Stern to demand that trade be nullified, and the Hornets be made to keep Paul on the roster for the foreseeable future, sources said.
Wojnarowski:
All along, the league office had allowed the Hornets to negotiate the Chris Paul trade without interference, sources said. And then, this.
Well it's obvious the owners don't mind if Paul is traded as long as it isn't to the Lakers
Payback for the Gasol trade?
by KD1 on Dec 8, 2011 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
More from Woj:
Several GM’s were lauding the haul of players and the draft pick that Demps was able to get back for Chris Paul in the deal. Now what?
Really, after what NY gave up for Melo?
Now he lives via free agency
And the Hornets get nothing.
by KD1 on Dec 8, 2011 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
The other NBA owners,
who technically own the Hornets right now, didn’t want the Lakers to get Paul. We might as well face it, until we have an owner our team will pretty much not get any better.
Jazz fan here...
As much as I didn’t like the Lakers getting a player of Paul’s caliber, I like the league crapping on your team’s right to trade CP3 even less. I’m glad Utah didn’t have to go through this stuff & got decent assets for D-Will.
In my opinion...
This veto is bogus…
The other owners don’t give a darn about New Orleans…
All they saw was CP3 going to a big market team in the Lakers and not to their own. They wanted a new CBA for just this reason— so big market teams couldn’t have free reign… and look what happens… Lakers (almost) acquire CP3.
Go to hell Stern.
Procedurally, the veto is silly
But I’m conditionally ecstatic that it’s being used (as long as Demps gets a better haul – more than one draft pick – out of this deal).
Unless Demps has a plan to wheel-and-deal some more before the season starts, I’d rather do the awful Boston deal than this load of spare change.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 8, 2011 9:00 PM CST reply actions
Nope
no way anything else is going to be better now. Good spare parts beats any lousy deal Boston can put together.
man, i feel for you.. i really do
Rocket fans have been debating for a while what we could get for Scola or KMart in a trade. I figured there wasn’t much of a market out there, ie, win-now team with cap room and cheap assets to give back. Maybe Demps—if this thing goes through—has a better plan to move them.
Otherwise, as underrated as Odom, Scola, and KMart are, I don’t see why you’d pick up so many 30-year old pieces. (Dragic is a solid throw-in, I’m telling you, though I’m sure that won’t serve as much consolation.)
by Moochie's Fro on Dec 8, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
So
let’s eliminate Demps now. He’s only an unnecessary middleman. It’s Stern who is running all NOH trades now.
...
Hornets general manager Dell Demps is "disconsolate" over this stunning, heavy-handed move from the commissioner’s office, a source told Y! Sports.
The Hornets will have....
an owner by the time the trade deadline arrives right? I don’t think the ‘now Paul will leave via free agency and the Hornets get nothing’ thing will be accurate.
Maybe
But this is nuts. As of right now Williams does not have a team to coach or a point guard who wants to be here.
"I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it." Groucho Marx
He needs more players sure but...
Jack is currently his point guard.
Chris Paul is pissed off and he's bringing Billy Hunter into this to fight the decision
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 8, 2011 9:16 PM CST reply actions
I saw it too somewhere on Twitter.
And on Celticsblog.com – it’s probably true, because it makes sense.
The fact probably is that he informed with Hunter to see if he can take legal action against the NBA for this turn of events.
- Just call me Dirk!
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Chris Paul signed a contract though...
Can’t wait till all of this is over.
If it's LA he wants...
than it’s LA he should get. Trade him to the Clippers, pronto. :P
In all seriousness, this is a pretty big mess. Thanks, Neil Olshey, Danny Ainge, and Jerry West, for precipitating this by not putting together an attractive, fair offer to begin with.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
I'm not really sure how any of this is legal
If the league had to ok every move the Hornets make, the hornets would have no one on their roster. How is that fair? Competitive?
Didn't Mark Cuban...
himself try to ‘rent’ Chris Paul?
That's correct...
didn’t I read that Cuban was willing to ‘rent’ Paul if Paul didn’t want to sign an extension in Dallas?
what are you going to get from Dallas?
are you assuming the trade does indeed get cancelled? Otherwise, I don’t see how Dallas can top that offer (and crummy as the deal was).
by Moochie's Fro on Dec 8, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know. All I know is...
it was reported that Cuban would be willing to sign Paul even if he didn’t sign an extension with Dallas. I’m saying Cuban was trying to get Paul himself and now he’s leading the pack of owners to stop this deal from happening.
It is a conflict of interest
for the owners to tell Stern to veto a trade. How can it possibly be legal?
Another tweet from Woj:
“In the end, David didn’t like that the players were dictating where they wanted to go,” source says.
You mean like he is going to do when he becomes a free agent? It’s time for Stern to go.
To be fair...
there’s a pretty big difference between picking a new team when you’re a free agent and picking a new team when you’re still under contract with your current one.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
You report to the team you're currently on...
Mr. Kardashian!
Martin and Scola are pros
They’ve played good ball with potential trades looming overhead all of last season.
Gasol was going to pout for a season, whether in Houston or LA. Odom will get depressed.
by Moochie's Fro on Dec 8, 2011 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know if this is true or not but,
Rohan_Cruyff: this. RT @DrewUnga: Chris Paul has incredible lawsuit if he so chooses. The NBA just cost him $40 million.
I hope this is not true
RT @LakersNation: Paul is reportedly trying to fight the ruling and will not report to training camp tomorrow.
Last tweet, I promise
RT @DuranLA: Lakers fans @Chris_Broussard on SportsCenter: Chris Paul fuming and exploring legal options to fight blocked deal
King Henry the 2nd said something similar earlier
Yeah, yeah, we know....
they said he’d talk to Billy Hunter/union about what recourse/legal action can be taken for the deal being scrapped.
I’ll bet Jarrett Jack will be laughing at Chris tomorrow. He’ll probably say ‘Damn dude, you’re still here? I’m the starter now!". LOL!
HUGE PR mess by the NBA.
1. Trade goes through. I personally don’t like this trade as it really gives the Hornets no real piece to build around. The Clippers were a better trade option, if CP3 had to be traded.
2. NBA blocks the trade for “basketball-related purposes”. Seriously, Stern? Do you just want Howard and CP3 to join the Lakers next year and leave their respective teams with nothing in return?
3. Chris Paul is exploring legal options. As if the lockout wasn’t bad enough, now you have another legal mess to deal with.
As a Kings fan, I would rather have the Lakers’ huge frontcourt disappear than have to deal with it. But CP3 is in NO for the time being, cherish this year, as it will probably be CP3’s last year in NO.
Looking forward to a Lakers collapse.
My favorite
Demps considered resigning his job on Thursday, league sources said, and had to be talked out of it. The Hornets had scored a terrific deal for Paul, a trade that was lauded by some of Demps’ peers throughout the league. Officials involved in the trade talks said the league office was consulted throughout the negotiations, and there was never an indication Demps didn’t have the power to make a deal. In fact, several teams negotiating with New Orleans to get Paul asked the league office, and were told Demps had full authority to execute a trade.
Good Finish
"To me, this makes the league feel like it’s rigged, that Stern just does whatever Stern wants to do. He’s messed up the competitive balance of this league a lot worse by killing the deal, because you’ve completely destroyed the planning that New Orleans, Houston did and left them in shambles over this. I’ve never been so discouraged about this league, never so down.
"I mean, come on: Chris Paul is leaving New Orleans in 66 games. He’s gone. And what’s Dell Demps, and that franchise, going to have to show for it?"
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