Aaron Gray: Difference Maker?
The absence of David West will obviously have a huge effect on this Hornets team. In the long run, any realistic expectations of a first round upset effectively went out the window. In the short term, Carl Landry has been promoted to the starting power forward spot, performing admirably and making Dell Demps look like a genius in the process (despite the efforts of an unnamed shooting guard in Sacramento). One of the less obvious effects of the Hornet captain's heart-breaking injury, is that Monty Williams will now have to rely on the likes of Aaron Gray, Jason Smith, and maybe even David Andersen in crucial times this season and perhaps in the playoffs. One of these players has already stepped up and proven he can perform in pressure situations of tight games. Join me after the jump to discuss the emergence of The Incredible Bulk, The Yeti, Mr. Big Nasty himself, Aaron Gray.
I probably should not be using the word "emergence" here, as Gray has been pretty steady all year when his number was called. Aside from a few games in which he could not stop fouling long enough to stay on the floor, Gray has brought about what you would expect from a backup center in this league. He may not be threatening Dwight Howard for the number one spot, but all that Mburn that was given to DJ Mbenga seems rather Mblock-headed (sorry). Throughout the season, Gray has proven to be a solid, if foul-prone, post defender, an efficient shooter from the paint, and a tenacious rebounder. Recently, however, Gray has come up huge in the overtime win over Utah, chipping in some crucial points and rebounds, along with icing the game with four straight free throws in the extra period. Coach Williams showed faith in the 7 footer by keeping him in the game for most of the fourth quarter as well as all of overtime. After the game Williams admonished praise on Aaron for delivering when given the chance.
Let's take a look at how Aaron stacks up against the other Hornets who man the center position:
| Player | PP36 | FG% | BP36 | ORB% | DRB% | TRB% | TO% | PFP36 | ORtg |
| Aaron Gray | 8.9 | .625 | 0.9 | 13.6 | 24.2 | 18.9 | 22.2 | 5.9 | 113 |
| Emeka Okafor | 11.8 | .580 | 2.1 | 11.9 | 24.9 | 18.4 | 15.2 | 3.6 | 112 |
| Jason Smith | 10.5 | .430 | 1.1 | 9.9 | 16.4 | 13.2 | 13.8 | 5.0 | 99 |
The first noticeable thing is that none of these guys can really be counted on to pick up the slack of West's scoring duties, as Emeka seems to be the most "prolific" scorer of the bunch. Read that sentence again. Yeesh. Anyways, Gray is the best offensive rebounder of the group, sporting an impressive 13.6, which would be good for second in the league (tied with Kevin Love) had Aaron played the requisite minutes for the score books. Emeka does qualify for that list and checks in at #8. Gray's defensive rebound rate of 24.2 would slot just behind Emeka at #11 in the league. The lesson learned here? Any way you slice it, Aaron Gray is an elite NBA rebounder. That skill alone is vital for a Hornet second unit that often struggles to get good looks, and is not good enough defensively to afford many second-chance opportunities to their opponents. Gray's advantages over Smith in this department are quite staggering, and in my opinion, show that it would be unwise to leave Mr. Smith out there for long stretches at the 5.
As I said earlier, none of these guys will wow you with their offensive output, but the Hornet offense does appear to be better with Okafor and Gray on the court, as their offensive ratings are quite similar, and considerably higher than Smith's. This may seem odd, considering Smith seems like the "offensive" option of the three, due to his smooth jumper. However, as FG% reflects, Smith makes his living on that 18-20 foot jumper, which unless you are a 7 foot German named Dirk, is no way to efficiently get your points. Now, Smith's pick-and-pop skills will certainly come in handy with David West sidelined, but Gray's career-high .625 FG% is nothing to dismiss. Gray's meager 8.9 points per 36 minutes (on a very low 12.1 usage rate) may look unimpressive on paper, but his offensive rebounding and high shooting percentage are enough to justify giving the big man some minutes.
On the defensive end, I don't have any statistics to throw at you, but I can tell you that Gray's size causes problems for opposing offenses. He may not block a ton of shots, but his presence in the lane changes the way the offense attacks. Similar (albeit on a smaller scale) to the way we saw Tyson Chandler alter a ton of shots, while blocking only a few, Gray has the size and length to deter opponents' drives to the basket, and force them into shots with a higher degree of difficulty. In the post, if Aaron can manage to not commit a foul there is a good chance that the opposing big will not score. He is big and tall enough to force players into tough shots, and often does not leave his feet to do so, limiting his susceptibility to pump fakes.
Of course, Gray is a backup center who has struggled to earn playing time for his entire career. There has to be some noticeable flaws in his game. Look no further than his career-high 22.2 turnover rate, a number that is even more unbelievable when considering his minuscule usage rate. Honestly, I was a bit surprised by this mark, as I would not have categorized Gray as turnover-prone. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking it may be due to offensive fouls, ill-advised passes ("trying to be Magic" as Monty Williams put it), and an occasional case of Hilton-hands. Whatever the reason, this incredibly high turnover rate puts a damper on the stellar shooting percentage of Gray and limits his use as a reliable offensive option. Another factor that often comes into play for Aaron is his tendency to foul. As you can see, Aaron commits approximately 6 fouls every 36 minutes. That mark would be a career best for him. Now backup centers are supposed to use their fouls and perhaps serve as some type of physical presence while on the court. Aaron, however, has a tendency to pick up fouls 20 feet away from the basket, and by constantly moving on screens. Gray seems to have improved on some of these problems recently, but at any given time, foul trouble is a big threat to limit his effectiveness.
Overall, I think Aaron has lived up to, or surpassed many of our expectations of him this season. In fact, I believe he probably deserved more minutes early in the season, when Monty resorted to small-ball tactics or inexplicably handed Mbenga a Mbunch of minutes (last time, I swear). Gray certainly has some large holes in his game, as most backups do, but he appears to have the requisite skills (and certainly the size) to be an effective center in the league. Hopefully his conditioning issues are a thing of the past, and he can take advantage of an opportunity to contribute to crucial games. Monty Williams called Gray "the difference" after the Utah win. I think that Aaron may just prove to be the difference maker again, when the Hornets need a boost during this run. What do you think?
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Im a fan
I think he could be better, especially with those fouls away from the ball, but I think he is a difference maker. One thing Ive noticed about him is his screen defense. Ive seen opposing PGs come off the screen to find this wall of humanity in front of them and stop dead in their tracks, unable to do anything with the pick. His raw bulk changes an opponents offense.
When he scores, its lagniappe.
I like Gray
and I think with this offseason coming up he knows he can be a real contributer to this team and he will work hard to get better defensivly and especially offensively. This guy CAN be the big we need. He just needs to work hard this offseason. I also think that he will help us win some games in the Playoffs, that if we don’t get the lakers. Kinda hoping that the Spurs keep losing so the Lakers can take the 1 seed. Give me a hobbled Spurs anyday of the week in the first round.
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by born in areacode 318 on Mar 29, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Real expectations.
Gary is just the drummer in the band keeping the beat, leaving the glory to the front men.
Maybe even less noticeable, he’s the sound engineer at the board.
The defensive tackle…no glory, just high fives from his running back after a good block.
As I tried to explain to all when I first started here following Gray’s addition to the team…I SAW him compete against Noah on the Bulls.
I SAW Noah bust into his coach and get reprimanded.
I SAW Noah get into it with teammates.
I SAW Gray out play Noah game after game.
Gray got sat finally and Noah was given the play time to continue his development…after all, he had been invested in and he HAD to be developed.
So they kept the flopping arm waving fleet O Foot Noah and traded Gray…
NOH GOT LUCKY!
Sure, it was hard to come back in weight after the broken foot, but it was a BROKEN FOOT!
Develop this kid.
Work him hard and keep his weight down and you have a great back up center for 10 to 20 minutes a night.
And remember…these big guys develop LATE but last a long time.
Definitely think he's a difference maker
With our second best player (but our best offensive player) sidelined for the rest of this year, how best can our Hornets move forward? With our roster, it’s impossible to replace the offensive output so we’ve got to look on the other side of the ball. Our defense has to play at the elite level again. Best way to do that is control the paint. Force the opposition to a lot more shots outside of the perimeter than they’re comfortable plus limit them to one shot.
Gray
Is a really good back-up center. I’d say there’s not a lot of good back-up centers in the league but he’s been a good find for the team. He’s not a great player but he’s capable for about 20 minutes a game and he can use his body defensively and he’s a good passer offensively. He does a lot of stupid stuff away from the ball and he still requires some coaching (which is a process) and I think he could still stand to get in better shape but he’s a solid back-up center in this league. He’s definitely a better frontcourt reserve player than anyone we have now.
I just don’t know why it took Monty so long with Jason Smith to figure it out.
"You play to win the game."
and Mbenga
What was that about? I could tell after about 10min of PT that he was not someone we wanted to rely on.
Yeah
Mbenga was pretty bad. I forgot to mention him, though, because he hasn’t played in so long.
"You play to win the game."
by MrWayneKeller on Mar 29, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
a sign of improvement from Monty
I have to remind myself that he is a rookie coach and hopefully will improve as he gets more experienced.
Difference-maker?
No. But he is overweight. So he can fool with other teams’ spacing better than most other backup bigs. I’m sorry but I have to laugh at the line about him being “an elite offensive rebounder.” I can’t see getting within sight of a claim that momentous when he’s so out of shape. I’m pretty sure he’s one of the least athletic players in the league/may have the least cardio endurance of any backup big in the NBA.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Mar 29, 2011 1:30 PM CDT reply actions
Um
Have you been watching the games recently? Better question: did you read a single word of the post outside of “difference maker” and “Aaron Gray”?
Gray is proving himself to be in more than adequate shape. If you read the post, you would have seen Will noted that Gray has the exact same offensive rebound rate as Kevin Love.
Seriously, if you’re just gonna show up here once a month to bash Aaron Gray, you’re gonna catch the ban hammer real quick.
And
Please don’t come back with the “his rebound rate means nothing if he can’t stay on the floor” strawman.
As Will implies, we need him to play limited (~15 minutes) a night. He’s shown recently that he’s more than capable of that, and in those minutes, yes, he’s definitely elite on the offensive glass.
Was going to reply but,
I see you have already brought the ether. Well said on all points. I have nothing to add.
hocus pocus
Seriously? Seriously. “He can’t stay on the floor” is hardly a strawman when the claim isn’t phrased “he can rebound efficiently,” but
Any way you slice it, Aaron Gray is an elite NBA rebounderNext to the word hyperbole, should be that sentence. I don’t think he’s a shi*ty rebounder, but I think it’s simply disingenuous to on the one hand say he’s a good rebounder in limited minutes, and then say he’s a difference maker in part because he’s “an elite NBA rebounder.” Those are totally disjunctive statements.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Mar 29, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
This is an evaluation of him as a backup center
By definition, a backup is only required to play limited minutes. Aaron Gray is not going to have a 20 rebound game if he is only playing 15min a game (probably what we need from him), but the numbers say that he will grab a higher percentage of rebounds while he is out there than almost any other player that could be on the court. Frankly, the stats don’t say he is a “good rebounder” in limited minutes. He is an elite one. When you are speaking in terms of a 15-20min stint, that type of rebounding will make a difference, hence the title of this post.
Yeah exactly
I think the he is “elite relative to his role” is very important. We can call Marcus Thornton an elite scorer (relative to his bench role). That doesn’t mean we’re equating him to Michael Jordan or Kareem Abdul Jabbar or something.
I am comparing Gray to current NBA players
and I (as a huge Thornton fan) would never call Marcus an “elite” scorer. Gray’s rebounding is elite relative to other players who are playing right now, and as of now only Zach Randolph collects a higher percentage of offensive boards while he is on the floor. Does Randolph impact the game more, because he plays 40min a game? Of course. I’m not saying Gray is an All-star or a starter, but while he is on the court, he is likely to be the best rebounder on the floor.
my point
I just think it can be phrased better. Esp. since there are alot of people who make analytical args. seemingly out of ether, lean purely on your metric, about how Gray = panacea backup big. Basically speaking in hyperbole just supercharges an an aspect of the conversation that is already prone to hyperbole. I like
an elite rebounder relative to his rolealot better than
Any way you slice it, Aaron Gray is an elite NBA rebounderIt just confines the question to more specific terms and doesn’t make the Gray wolves hungrier/exceed into hyperbole
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Mar 29, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps I could have worded it better,
but based on the numbers we have to go on, Aaron Gray will be one of the best rebounders on the floor while he is out there. I don’t feel like this is a flukey stat that will go down with increased playing time. Would Gray get absolutely dominated by some of the top centers in the league? Sure. Does he have any other above-average (or maybe even average) NBA skill? Probably not. However, his rebounding numbers stack up against many of the best in the league at his position, hence my use of the term “elite.”
"The ban hammer?" Really?
I’m sorry but that is totally to e-threaten me.
I haven’t said anything offensive at all, and am just now reviewing what the latest posts are. This one’s about Gray. How about the pellico guy who from what i’m seeing now that i have time to catch up on the blog, only posts about how gray = panacea in literally every thread when only one directly addresses Gray.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Mar 29, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
ppellico
is here a lot and often comments on non-Gray issues. I’m not going to get into a debate about commenter habits here though.
I’m sorry but that is totally to e-threaten me.
Haha, that made me laugh.
haha
yeah, what I meant to say is:
I’m sorry but that is totally lame to e-threaten me.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Mar 29, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
hahaha
I guess. ATH = Soft power? Eh, I can see the arg. It’s at least plausible
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Mar 29, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
he is kind of right...
i do go on a bit about gray.
but then again, that’s why i became a fan of NOH…i follow him.
So seriously
I commented on Gray, on a thread about Gray. That’s about as topical as it can get. I’m also reading & commenting elsewhere on things that have nothing to do with him. Chill chief.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Mar 29, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
still
The point remains that if there is one thing that Gray is very good at, it is collecting rebounds. I don’t think anyone could argue otherwise.
Just looking at him and seeing him play, he looks like a good rebounder.
Also, look at his scouting reports. He’s a decent athlete for his size. If I recall correctly, he was measured as having a 33 inch vertical at the pre draft camps a few years back. Doubt he can jump that high now and overall, I of course don’t consider him an “athletic big man”, but I don’t think he’s totally rooted to the ground either.
Good point on the turnover rate
I think one reason it may be higher is that his FGA is so low.. BBRef’s usage formula is heavily driven by FGA (one of the reasons Chris Paul is so underrated is that his usage% doesn’t capture his “real” usage at all, since usage% doesn’t include assists).
So Gray’s turnovers vs. his FGA is high, but his turnovers vs. his touches of the ball is much lower.. if that makes sense.
That said, I do agree that his moving screens have occurred with too much frequency.
Hmm
Good to know. I was going to use Hollinger’s Turnover Ratio, but it seemed more complicated. Even using that, Gray’s is 19.9, which is terrible.
Yeah
Hollinger’s stats include assists… but they’re kinda weird because since they give possessions for assists used but don’t subtract for assists received, total player possessions add up to much more than actual team possessions.
What's the D-League serving up
Do we have alt. big men down there?
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Mar 29, 2011 2:09 PM CDT reply actions
Signed Patrick Ewing Jr.
to a 10-day but he’s more of a SF. I doubt the Hornets are looking for any other bigs right now.
Ewing Jr
Ewing Jr is a defenisve Center/Power Forward in a pretty small body and limited offensive game.
Not a SF by any strech.
All I did was google him.
Can’t remember seeing him much from Georgetown, but I’m not big into college ball. Every evaluation I’ve seen of him (DraftExpressand others) has him as a tweener 3/4. Just looking at his measurements it seems unlikely he could guard almost any legit 5s.
scouting reports
Actually, yeah, I also now read the scouting reports and it seems he’s been working a bit more on his outside game, you are correct.
I only saw him play in college so he may be somewhat of a different player now. I know he works hard. so it’s not out of the realm of possibility that he could have evolved his game somewhat since then.
Anyway, I’ve always liked him and certainly, he’s a good signing for a 10 day despite his shortcomings.
Thanks
What I've read
reminds me of Jeff Green, perhaps a little more physical than Green, but with less of a shooting touch.
Better than given credit for
Gray is better than he is given cedit for, but he is what he is…a career back up center. Don’t get me wrong, when he stays on the floor, he eats space, he rebounds, he sets picks, and he is MUCH better in understanding his role than many. He also is useful in bumping up against other bigs and making them work. So I have become a fan.
But he is still a complementary player, and the problem for the Hornets right now is that when starters are not on the floor, they sometimes struggle to score. Wish he could learn a soft baby hook.
Good article though.
in defense of ppellico aka paul
I am a fan of gray.
I am a fan of a whole lot of what I call nice guys in sports.
but i am not drunk with blindness.
in all my postings about gray, all i have ever wanted was for the kid to be given a chance to play.
early, it was because mbenga was getting the time and i tried so very hard to make the point it was wasting valuable time.
it seems it was.
i have always wanted gray to be allowed to develop into the “back up” center this team was going to need, especially come playoff time when the game really changes to one of brutality.
personally, i am pleased gray is becoming the 10 to 20 minute/night fella we have always needed.
can he be better?
hell, yes. bring on a decent big man coach and let him get to work on gray.
in fact, i believe gray has hired such himself last summer. the bulls brought in one for both he and noah.
can he be faster?
i don’t see this.
Can he develop an outside shot?
THIS is the question and the goal #1 i would want this team to have him focus on this summer.
then again, i would want he and okafor to do this together.
getting that little extra range would help 1000% next year IF there is a next year.
one very last word on gray
stats….
seems like we are relying upon them for this fella.
well, there are stats, then there are wins.
watching a player box out.
watching a player form a safe wall from which his guard can shoot.
watching a player fill space and keep out others from underneith the basket.
watching a blayer box out under the basket.
these are NOT stats.
however, these ARE winning qualifications.
anybody got a problem with this, i say you are not really worthy of discussing the sport of basketball.
you do not understand the team role.
not with me.
i want the whole picture.
One thing I like about Gray
(Caveat: I’ve only seen Gray play a little).
He sets manly screens on offence.
With a lot of the Hornets screeners, they’ve barely even reached their man before they’re rolling off for the pass. Gray on the other hand is a roadblock, who realises his primary mission on the screen and roll is to separate his target from the player he’s defending.
#2 Sean Marks fan on the blogs
Gray is a beast.
The numbers bear it out. The eye-test bears it out. He scores efficiently, rebounds ELITELY, and is a nice passer out of the post, who gives the Hornets some nice in out looks. And, yes, the dude just takes up space. Ask Shaq, Kendrick Perkins, or Andrew Bynum how that works out. Bigger is better.
Perfect? No. But awesome back up? Yes.
Continuation of last year
Gray had above average per-minute Wins Produced last year, as I recall, but his minutes were so small that it was considered a fluke. I don’t think so. He is improving on his defense (less reaching), and referees are giving him a bit more respect. Early on he was getting blocking fouls just for being large. He delivers effective fouls lately, not allowing the and-one as often as West and others. I disagree on his screens, which I think need improvement still. He is becoming a more sure-handed rebounder, and he clogs it up nicely on D.
I would like to see him improve his ability to get post position and receive the ball down there. Both he and Okafor have this problem, but I think Gray will be more effective than Okafor if he gets the ball in post position, due to his size and big hands.
I love his energy on the bench!
He is fundamentally pretty bad at setting screens.
However he is so large that his screens are still pretty effective. If he ever gets his technique down, he will be flattening people.
I will defer to your superior knowledge
It may simply be wishful thinking on my part extrapolating from a small sample size. But he has the potential to be an absolute wall for defender’s to fight around.
Aaron Gray strikes me as the type of player that’s easy to under-appreciate. It certainly took Monty Williams a long time to warm up to him enough to get playing time.
#2 Sean Marks fan on the blogs
I won't.
I love his pics.
Best on this team…to me.
The real problem is post pic.
Gray getting backto cover or a spot is painfully slow.
It’s like waiting for a freight train to begin moving once it stopped in front of you at the crossing and you’re late for work…maddening!
Best on the team
is not saying much. West is terrible and Okafor is nowhere near as good as Tyson was. Gray’s screens need a lot of work, but as I said, he is still an effective screener based on his bulk.
Rockets Took Care Of Business
And dominated in New Jersey tonight. Time for the Hornets to show up with some sense of urgency tomorrow.
"You play to win the game."

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