Kings 96, Hornets 80: "It's bad when you set records on back to back nights..."
The quote in the title comes via a comment from 247_Hornet in the game-thread (a tradition I'm stealing from the supremely aromatic Seth Rosenthal of Posting and Toasting. Write a good comment and forever be preserved in the fossilized resin of the internet!).
And it's dead on. The Hornets shot a franchise record low from the floor in their loss to Phoenix, and somehow managed to look even worse tonight.
This team is simply not good at offense. And we can blame the "offensive gameplan" or lack thereof as much as we want, but the fact remains: this team is not good at offense because it doesn't have many good offensive players.
Combined with a point guard that could barely cross the timeline and initiate the offense without throwing the ball to the other team, you get a blowout at the hands of the Sacramento Kings.
Some more thoughts below the fold.
- Perhaps in response to the anemic offense, Monty Williams emphasized the post and deep catches early in the first quarter. Emeka Okafor took 5 shots within the first 5 minutes, making 3 of them (a couple through lucky bounces). Against an undersized Kings front line lacking DeMarcus Cousins, it was a reasonable enough gamble.Throughout the game, this strategy was continued with heavy emphasis on Kaman-Okafor lineups. Eventually, Sacramento countered by doubling bigs and forcing guards to make plays.
- And outside of Trevor Ariza and Greivis Vasquez, every perimeter ball handler for the Hornets fell flat on his face. Let's start with Jarrett Jack - 3 for 11 shooting, 8 turnovers. Many of his 8 assists came off of broken plays. His turnovers came off of lazy one handed passes, passes thrown without even looking at recipients. This was an absolutely atrocious night. Jack routinely messed up the first pass leading into Hornet plays - basically, the Hornets couldn't even begin a number of their offensive sets because Jarrett Jack couldn't even bring them that far. Even on possessions where he wasn't the primary playmaker, Jack still found ways to foul up the offense.
- It's wildly clear that Greivis Vasquez is the better passer and creator of shots for teammates. Let's not jump to conclusions and call for him to start the very next game over Jack because it's still a tiny sample. But even in tonight's game, Monty Williams showed that this could well be something that happens in the future. He yanked Jack quickly in the third and sent a message again in the fourth by pulling him after an especially idiotic pass (leaving everyone else on the floor in).
- Vasquez didn't shoot well, going 3 for 9 from the floor. But he was aggressive in the pursuit of his own shot, getting to the rim often (one of his six misses was a vicious chase down swat by Tyreke Evans) and moving to open space with ease. More importantly, he registered 8 assists versus 2 turnovers, always looking for open teammates.
- A really poor night from Marco Belinelli, but I honestly thought most of his shots (especially in the 1st quarter) came within the rhythm of the game. He just missed open looks. As the game wore on, he started forcing some less efficient efforts, but he's simply not going to go 0 for 7 from three on a regular basis. Lots of negatives for the Hornets to study all around, but for Marco, I think this needs to be a game that's just washed away.
- Emeka Okafor put in 13 points, 12 rebounds (5 offensive), and his backup, Chris Kaman, outdid him with 14 and 15. Granted, Kaman's 14 points didn't come in the most efficient way possible (5 for 13 shooting), but this game is a lot uglier without his presence on the bench. Unfortunately, Kaman also had 3 turnovers and could easily have had 2 more given luckier bounces for the Kings.
- Defensively, it was a tale of two halves. The Hornets allowed just 38 points on 46 possessions in the first half, good for a 82.6 defensive efficiency (107 is league average). In the second half, it ballooned to 58 points allowed on 44 possessions, or a 131.8 defensive efficiency. New Orleans simply couldn't keep Sacramento for penetrating in the third and fourth quarters, and poor perimeter rotations ensured that kickout passes led to open three after open three. Marcus Thornton and Tyreke Evans finished with 52 points on 36 shots, including 15 trips to the line. The defense finished the night with an effort right around league average (106.7 defensive efficiency) but that doesn't mean the defense wasn't flawed either.
- That offense though... yikes. Eric Gordon looks set to miss tomorrow's game as well, so no rest for the weary.
- Al-Farouq Aminu got more than ten minutes today and he flashed the one truly elite skill he had in his college days - rebounding. Aminu picked up 3 offensive and 3 defensive boards and could have had a couple more too. Unfortunately, he's one of the worst dribblers in the league right now, and he's lucky he only finished with two turnovers.
- Finally, Gustavo Ayon and Trey Johnson got in the game late on. Ayon picked up a very respectable Two Million in his NBA debut, while Johnson managed to pick up some statistics, going 2 for 2 for 4 points and 2 offensive rebounds.
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I think Trey should get a some floor time tomorrow. He can score if given a chance to get in rythm
Also thanks for the shout out!
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The Offense
Is ugly. It’s been my biggest fear for the team since the offseason began and it will continue to be. Some may chalk it up as a bad night, etc., but the fact of the matter is the bad efforts aren’t even coming against good defensive teams. The Hornets have been shut out in successive games versus the Suns and the Kings. That’s nothing to build from going forward. It doesn’t get easier. As far as the team’s play overall, I thought they hustled on defense in the first half but when shots aren’t falling, it’s tough to stay in a rhythm on the other side of the court. I think that’s what happened in the second half.
I don’t think I’ve seen Jack play a game as bad as this one since the Hornets picked him up last season, Although he was especially, atrociously bad, I’m more inclined to hope that he, like Belinelli, just had a really bad game. Other than that, I saw a lot of negative comments for Ariza in the game thread but I thought he played pretty good tonight.
Could it be that, without Eric Gordon, Emeka Okafor is the best player the team has to offer? I think so and you can take that for what it’s worth. As, probably, Okafor’s biggest fan here on this site, you saw what those Charlotte teams did built around him.
See you all tomorrow night.
"You play to win the game."
Agreed on Ariza
Meant to put in a note on him, but forgot. I thought he actually looked very good on offense… this is the Ariza I wish we’d seen alongside Chris Paul. Slashing to the hoop, moving without the ball, etc.
Another thing about Vasquez is alot of his passes are nice set ups without the shooter draining it.
He might be more like a Rondo with less flair but that’s not bad. a double double with 11 points and 15 assist is nice to.
Vasquez
I’d be wary of crowning him the new PG just yet. He’s still adapting to the team and he may just be better suited in the back-up role. He’s certainly playing well but it’s too early to widen his responsibilities just yet.
"You play to win the game."
by MrWayneKeller on Jan 1, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
Take heart, men
Every loss leads to this:

or this:

or this:

orrr this:

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by OnPointLikeCP3 on Jan 1, 2012 11:36 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Gilchrist
Doubt that happens but, that would be great
by njennings on Jan 1, 2012 11:45 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Blown out by the Terrible Kings
The Kings are a team in disarray with Cousins asking to be traded.
They’re also a team that doesn’t get back on defense, something that’s considered basketball 101 in high school junior varsity.
Still, they have some talent and some good offensive choices in the wings. It was definitely more than enough to handle the Hornets.
I think we’re a team that has the potential to continue to break all sorts of records this season in (1) offensive futility, and (2) rebounding.
This game could have been a lot more ugly if our rebounders had not kept us in the game at times, giving us more possessions, more chances to take time off the block, more chances to miss more shots, to get more rebounds, and to miss more shots. Hornets destroyed the Kings on the glass. Probably the only bright spot in the game for us.
Jarrett Jack, lol… Our front court was solid, but our back court players, led by Jackitup, went 9 for 32. And Jack definitely looks like he’s reverting to his career trend in the turnover department. Further, sorry, but I think that Vasquez is far from ready to be a starter any time soon.
Only one way to find out about Vazquez
And that’s by giving him the opportunity. Especially in a year in which the Hornets have nothing to lose.
by njennings on Jan 1, 2012 11:48 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
That
That could also destroy his confidence. I think Vasquez continues to need around 15 to 20 minutes per game, off the bench. He looks better than he is because he is aggressive and makes the occasional nice play. But he’s nowhere near ready and giving him the reins woould just lead to a lot more blowouts in my opinion.
On the other hand, Aminu needs more playing time. Just not in the NBA. I think a stint of 30+ minutes per game in the D League would actually help him develop. He’s raw raw RAW!
Squeaky doesn’t look like an NBA player. And I’m not talking about his dreadlocks.
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by OnPointLikeCP3 on Jan 2, 2012 1:36 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Around the NBA
Minnesota blows the Mavs out, ending the game with a 15-0 run. Minnesota is my early dark horse team to make the playoffs (unfortunately). Very narrow misses against two of the top teams (OKC and Miami). They’re unlucky not to be 3-1 already.
Rubio, the master, threading the needle between Dirk’s legs to a teammate for an open three pointer. Doesn’t get much better than that.
I see Chicago over Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals this year. I know, Miami is good, but i think Chicago will be better as a team.
Overall, lots of bad play and lopsided blowouts early in this season, which is not too surprising as teams struggle to get their legs under them.
Need to go back and watch the Minnesota game
but yeah. Pre-season, I expected them to be in the 9-10 range, but playoffs seems at least conceivable now. Could easily have been a 3-1 start.
I love Chicago as well. If Boozer can return to All-Star form offensively and Rip Hamilton can return to form, I would not want to bet against Tom Thibodeau
Feels so weird to love the Bulls and D-Rose now...
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agreed
I have to confess, I was a Rose sceptic after his first year in the league. Saw him as a guy who doesn’t play a ton of defense and doesn’t understand the nuances of the PG game. I think it’s his playoff performances that helped to turn my opinion around.
I would have to agree
He’s something else. That’s for sure.
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I STILL think he's overrated
in that he’s not in the level of a LeBron James (where people constantly put him)
But he does some damn magical things with a basketball, that’s for sure.
Honestly
LeBron is probably the most talented basketball player in the world at the moment.
But I think that Rose has some intangible qualities that LeBron lacks. It’s his drive, his desire to win, to make clutch baskets. To improve his game season after season, adding defense, three point shooting, floormanship, etc.
Meh
I think “drive”, “desire to win” are all dumb qualities that are ascribed too often in the absence of real analysis. Not saying that’s what you’re doing here, but simply that I don’t buy that Derrick Rose is more “driven to win” than LeBron James or Dwyane Wade or Chris Paul or anyone else.
We’re simply too far from the players to have a real understanding of it and any conclusions we “draw” about players’ frames of mind is way too media influenced to be of much import.
For example, the media’s favorite line about LeBron now is his failure in “crunch time” in the Finals. Go back and actually watch/analyze the Finals, and you’ll see it was a series long issue for him against Dallas’ different looks on defense, especially the zone. It wasn’t some thing where every time a “clutch” moment arose, he froze up and failed to perform.
It’s too early to tell if Rose’s 3P shot is better this season (it certainly looks good now, but let’s wait for another 20-30 games before saying anything for sure) or indeed his defense (Chicago’s team defense improved last year when Rose’s backups were in the game and was primarily structured around Luol Deng’s perimeter ability and the help and man D of bigs like Noah, Asik, and Gibson)
playoffs
It seems that DR steps up his game in the playoffs while James plays the same as he plays in the regular season. I think thee’s some statistical evidence to support this argument.
Regarding 3 point shooting, yes it’s too early to tell whether he’ll be more improved this season, but his accuracy and shot attempts have steadily increased his first three seasons so it’s quite reasonable to think that his continued improved accuracy early this season isn’t a fluke.
What really impressed me about Rose was how he kept his team together and guided them to one of the best records while there were significant injuries to Boozer and Noah last season.
Yeah
I like how Derrick Rose stepped it up in the conference finals last year when LeBron held him to 6% shooting in the series. When you start talking about drive and desire, IE unquantifiable measures, it’s tough to say you’re not reaching for an argument. Boozer and Deng stepped up enough for the Bulls to compete with the Heat last year…. it was Rose that didn’t get his team over the hump.
LeBron took some pretty bad Cleveland teams pretty far in the postseason. He was bad in last year’s finals but it’s tough to say that defines his career…. unless you already hated him in the first place.
"You play to win the game."
by MrWayneKeller on Jan 2, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
it's quantifiable
Rose guided the Bulls to the best record in the NBA with the Bulls second and third best players missing big chunks of the season.
Sure, Rose didn’t shoot well in the conf finals, but how many people even had them playing in the conference finals that year when Boozer’s and Noah’s injuries became known? Also, Rose had great series against the Hawks and Pacers.
also
I don’t really get why you think that LeBron’s bad finals play last year doesn’t define him, while zeroing in on Derrick Rose’s subpar shooting in the conf finals.
LeBron's
Obviously had more of a sample size.
"You play to win the game."
by MrWayneKeller on Jan 2, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
yep, it's unlikely
It’s still very unlikely that Minnie will make the playoffs, but if there has to be a dark horse candidate, I’d pick the wolves.
Agree about Chicago. Their defense is stifling, possibly the best in the NBA. They can rebound. They have a legit start who is MVP level. I think they also have the inside/outside balance that Miami still lacks.
OKC is the favorite, but after that, it’s wide open. I’m actually starting to like Portland more and more althoug they lost today. Dallas also lost, but every time I want to downgrade them, I look at their roster and can’t help but think that team can easily win 55 games on talent alone (in an 82 game season).
correction, I meant: "In the WEST, OKC is the favorite"
Haven’t thought about who is the overall league favorite yet, though I’m leaning towards Bulls.
Deep All Round
Just see Portland as a team that is very deep all round with good offense and good defense.
Gerald Wallace was the best player on the Bobcats. R.Felton was the second best player on the Knicks before the trade.
LeMarcus and Wesley are two of the better up and coming players in the league. and either can be a go-to-scorer.
Jamal Crawford could be the 6th man of the year.
They have good role-players players who can provide nice boosts in Batum, Camby, They have some playoff seasoning and I think drawing a line with Brandon Roy is actually a positive for this season.
If Oden can possibly provide any contribution at all later this season, it would just be gravy.
They’ve managed to keep their momentum after losing two of their best pieces to injuries, whcih is very nice to see. Future bodes well for them.
Chris Paul
I’ve watched him 3 times this year. He still doesn’t look like the old CP3. Is it just a conditioning issue?! Or is the knee still bothering him?
by njennings on Jan 2, 2012 12:22 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Ugh
This app’s comment button!!!!!
by njennings on Jan 2, 2012 12:23 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
As a Clippers fan just stopping to see how you guys are doing
He has actually looked pretty good. He seems a little passive sometimes, but he is still an assassin to close games out, and he has made some really nice passes.
Of course, pretty good does not even begin to describe CP3 pre-last year, but I think he looks like he is in between last year and his previous years of supreme awesomeness.
"He seems a little passive sometimes..."
That pretty much describes CP’s last season as a Hornet.
Although I’m still upset that we didn’t get to do the Lakers deal and I know full well that we’re going to be mediocre to bad for probably longer than we care to admit, but frankly, I’m not that bent out of shape that we lost CP.
Just watching CP play in the early games for the Clips reminds me of all the reasons why I don’t really miss him. I don’t consider him the best point guard in the league. There’s Derrick Rose, Deron Williams… there’s Rubio senasation.
Fortunately for Clippers fans, you guys have Blake and Jordan, and that’s plenty for years to come.
Thanks for stopping by and good luck withb your season!
You know things are bad
…when Greivus Vasquez looks like your best option at PG. Not that he played poorly, but he is no starting caliber NBA point guard.
Belinelli can’t miss open shots like he has early this season. That is his whole reason for being on the floor..
I still have hope for Aminu. He has some athletic skills, although I don’t see point guard in his future.
I love Jarrett Jack’s hustle—I just wish he wasn’t always hustling after his own turnovers.
Boy would I love to have DC back right now.
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by OnPointLikeCP3 on Jan 2, 2012 1:40 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
The problem is that DC was used to get Ariza
and MT was used to get Landry. Was never to be…
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by OnPointLikeCP3 on Jan 2, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Monty has good system players
the Hornets just aren’t great individual players. The system is just kind of broke right now, but that should be fixed once Gordon gets back. Or then again maybe all Monty needs is a loose cannon like Demarcus Cousins. ;)
Cousins - Tarpley
Cousins is very talented, but he’s at risk of having a very short NBA career.
As bad as the Hornets may be, I wouldn’t want him on the Hornets except if the Kings were to totally give him away almost for free (e.g. trading him for some unproductive bench player with a bad contract plus a future second round draft pick).
I think a good coach on a very good team could handle him by simply sitting him on the bench for games at a time and letting better players play ahead of him. On a mediocre team like Sacramento, they need him so he threatens to scuttle any positive momentum that the team may have going.
Cousins isn’t the first supremely talented big man in the NBA with attitude issues. Whenever I think of Cousins, I can’t help but think of Roy Tarpley. Very similar in talent, physical stature, and statistical production, Tarpley’s attitude issues eventually morphed into alcohol, drug and other problems, and he was bounced from the league after 4 years.
Young Tarpley regularly averaged double digit points and rebounds in 20-25 minutes of game play and was 6th man of the year early in his career in the late 1980s. He tried to make comebacks in the 1990s, but injuries set him back and after more substance abuse issues, the league just refused to give him another chance.
Not saying that serious substance abuse is in the cards for Cousins, but it just goes to show that being talented can make for very short NBA careers when you are also troubled. It’s a cautionary tale for Cousins.
I recommend the following read about Tarpley.
Thanks
As you allude to though, I think DMC is a bit different simply because he’s supposed to be a really excellent person off the court. Completely unlike his on-court persona, and so I think the devolution into drugs, alcohol, etc, isn’t too relevant here.
On-court though, yeesh, he’s definitely got some problems to work out. Whether it will be with Sacramento or not remains to be seen, though I do see this all blowing over for now. It’s simply too early in his career for a guy to be demanding trades and be taken seriously. I also think it’s entirely possible he demanded the trade as a “heat of the moment” thing and may well back off of it.
Hes got that killer instinct though
Im looking forward to seeing him dominate in the post a la Dwight
what I like
is that he’s a very underrated passer
Cousins
I don’t know about “really excellent off the court”. ^^ He’s liked by some teammates, but after all, the latest issue occurred off the court as far as I can tell.
I don’t think Tarpley started out as a junkle either or somebody who wanted to drink alcohol but he most likely had some kind of depression or other issues or simply immaturity which caused him to go that route. Maybe it’s something he fell into as a way to cope with injuries or the pressures of lofty expectations.
When i look at Cousins, I see somebody with anger management issues. That often stems from depressions or other psychological problems (anger and depression often go hand in hand). Maybe he’s just “immature” and he’ll grow up. But if it’s more than that and it isn’t addressed, I think it would be fairly easy for him to blow his chance in the NBA. Yes, he’s big strong and talented, but the NBA requires very serious focus and commitment during the season and in the off season.
How will Cousins respond when things don’t go his way, in one sense or another? How will he respond if he has to take extended time from the game because of injury?
Anyway, I my main point is that, whether or not Cousins devolves into substance abuse or merely into bouts of sulking and team disruption when he doesn’t get his way, there’s a very real danger that his issues could cause him to fail to realize his potential as a player, just like Tarpley.
from yahoo sports
‘“[Last season, t]he Kings disciplined Cousins several times for behavioral issues, and Cousins had run-ins with Sacramento coaches, including Westphal, former assistants Truck Robinson and Mario Elie, and strength-and-conditioning coach Daniel Shapiro. Cousins was also was suspended after a locker-room altercation with teammate Donte Greene last season after Greene didn’t pass him the ball for a potential game-winning shot in a loss to the Oklahoma City Thunder. At the time, Greene called Cousins "spoiled," one source said, a reference to the franchise’s coddling of its young center.
"He’s selfish," one source close to the team said of Cousins. "He’s always angry or clowning. He needs to change. The Kings have been great about covering things up for him, and his agent has been protecting him.
"He’s always miserable. He acts like he’s entitled."
Some players are disillusioned with the constant drain of Cousins’ tantrums, sulking and absence of professionalism. "He’s a bully, and they let him get away with it," one source said. "No one wants to deal with the guy."’
I’d say Cousins sounds like a less than excellent guy at this point in his development as a person. But time will tell whether it’s just growing pains or more serious issues.

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