The Hornets Are Losing, but They Aren't Tanking
The NBA rewards losing.
And it rewards losing like few other sports. The NFL? Sure, a Suck for Luck comes around every few years, but ultimately, there's actually a fair amount of financial downside to getting a high pick. The draft itself is loaded with players for rounds and rounds and rounds. The MLB? It has its occasional Strasburg, but collegiate baseball players have so much to navigate before hitting the big leagues that pushing for, say, a 5th pick over a 9th pick by intentionally easing up during as season is completely ridiculous. And in both leagues, individual impact is capped at a reasonably low level. Got the best pitcher in the AL? Feel free to use him every fifth day. Best running back in the NFC? Good luck building your pass rush.
The NBA requires star players for success, and there are two ways of obtaining them - poach them from their original teams (read: be a big market, or Miami) or draft them. The NBA salary system only exacerbates this; star players produce more wins than they're allowed to be paid by max contracts. So even if a team of average players and a superstar gets you the same number of wins as a team of above average players, you will, by definition, pay less to the team with the superstar.
In fact, it will be prohibitively expensive to pay a team full of 5-6 win share type guys unless you (a) are literally, or at the very least figuratively, made out of money (2011 Dallas Mavericks), or (b) happen to collect multiple inexplicably undervalued players during a transition year for the league (2004 Detroit Pistons). I won't say the Pistons were "lucky" because in a lot of ways they weren't, but their model - 4 to 5 almost equally valuable players - isn't replicable. Nor is the Thunder's "model" for that matter.
The Hornets, on account of being neither a big market nor Miami, need to build through the draft. And to get there, they need to lose. Obviously, this won't sit well with every NBA observer, nor should it. Rewarding losing is counterintuitive, and the NBA is worse off for making it so (even if rewaring losing is ultimately unavoidable because of the way basketball fundamentally works).
There is a distinction to be made here, though. The Hornets aren't intentionally losing; they're just bad. It's a stupid distinction, sure, but it's still one worth making. By rejecting the Lakers' trade and accepting the Clippers', they earned the right to lose without being questioned on a nightly basis. When Monty Williams starts DaJuan Summers for three games, it's because he has few other alternatives. When he experiments with an all-backup front court to close out an entire fourth quarter, it's not particularly "risky" given what the starters would probably accomplish.
The Hornets paid full price for their tank up front; now we simply get to watch it roll.
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That’s the one thing that bothers me more than anything. Hornets had the second worst record in 2004/2005 and wound up with the 4th pick. They got Chris Paul out of it but losing guarantees nothing.
"You play to win the game."
by MrWayneKeller on Jan 17, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
The Thing Is
I’m not convinced the Lakers deal would have made the Hornets any better honestly. I know they’d be better than they currently are, but they wouldn’t be much better. The team’s just been held together by Chris Paul and David West since 2008. They haven’t really had good squads outside of that which is why the one year Paul missed significant time in 2009/2010, the team missed the postseason. They’re in the right direction now but, as you said, they’re just not a good team. They’re not losing intentionally and you can tell by the nightly effort. However, as the season goes on it’s going to be increasingly difficult to fight every night as the Hornets are. I hope the losses don’t take an insurmountable toll on the squad as the season progresses.
"You play to win the game."
With hindsight 20/20
Odom would have arrived a mess (even worse than Dallas) so I’m definitely not as optimistic as I was during the time of the proposed trade. However, they would have been markedly better than this squad. 2 guys who know how to put the ball in the hoop and a point forward? That trio’s production would mop the floor with a Kaman, Aminu and Summers combination.
Odom
He’s had a bad start, but he’s playing a bit better recently and so are the Mavs.
He’s continued to say all the right things and acknowledged that he was a little bit out of shape coming in.
He’s had to deal with some issues in the off season, like the death of his favorite cousin, and the death of a third party in a car accident in which he was a passenger, in addition to being traded.
I think he’s going to be a valuable piece of the Mavs later this season and in the playoffs, especially if they stop using him as a backup Guard.
I think they would have significantly better personally
A lineup of Jack – Kevin Martin – Trevor Ariza – Luis Scola – Emeka Okafor with a 6th man of the year off the bench in Lamar Odom, one of the better backup PGs in the league in Dragic, a shooter in Belinelli, and the current depth we have now (DLeaguers, Ayon, etc)? Playoff team, especially in this transition season. Even with the Odom questions (and I think he’ll figure it out in Dallas eventually this year)
That's Fair
I watch Houston and don’t get overly excited about the team and I guess I just attribute that to our roster here. I guess I should have rephrased that they’d be better but not significantly better and, then, that’s still entirely my own viewpoint. I just don’t think they’d be a playoff team (although you make a compelling argument that they would).
"You play to win the game."
by MrWayneKeller on Jan 17, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
I think
I think if we had made the Lakers deal, our main worries at the moment would be (1) our playoff seeding this year and (2) whether or not to trade any of those 3 main players for some young talent.
Of course we would have been a playoff team!
A front line of Okafor, Scola and Odom would be brutal on the boards and one of the best in the West. We’d be good on offense with Martin, Scola and Odom and we’d still have Ariza and Okafor to keep us respectable on defense. Ariza would have been just a defensive specialist like he was on the Lakers. Further, Goran Dragic is looking more and more like he’s a future starting point, rather than just a promising backup.
AND we still would have had 2 first round picks in next year’s supposedly loaded draft.
By the way, according to the current standings NY’s pick would be 14th and Minny’s pick would most likely be 9th (barring some lottery magic). No doubt 9th pick is better and it’s still too early to tell where each team will pick, but honestly, the difference between 9th and 14th isn’t that huge. Certainly not to the extent that it’s a sure bet that Minny’s pick will set us up for the future while NY’s couldn’t. Honestly, I still have concerns that Minny may surge later this year while NY could potentially implode…
So over under on Ariza playing tomorrow? Or Ayon starting.
Today Monty said he would make the decision before tomorrows game.
No idea
No sense in rushing people back so I’d imagine he’ll be held out until he’s fully good to go.
Ayon… maybe. I personally hope we continue to bring him off the bench just to continue gaining confidence in his current role.
Ayon
Yeah, I think off the bench is better for now. I think it’s better to develop him gradually than throwing him into the fire. He’s been good coming off the bench (in fact, fantastic), so no need to fix sometihng that isn’t broken. But he’s definitely earned a chance at a little more court time I think, even if it’s just 12-15 minutes.
If Ariza is coming back then That means Henry must be right behind him.....
If that is also the case then Commish next week??!!
Monty said Sunday I think
That Henry/Gordon were both about a week or so away… next week could be exciting
Just As Long
As Gordon is back by the time the team comes to San Antonio!
"You play to win the game."
by MrWayneKeller on Jan 17, 2012 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you for the post Rohan
Have been hearing whispers of us in tank mode and am sick of it. Obviously, it’s not true…..yet. :)
The week "or so" is what I'm worried about.
The only person thats injured and is a proven “baller” is Gordon. Not saying that I’m not concerned with the others, but Henry is hype until he productively produces and Ariza is Ariza. This is a new age with the 2012 Hornets and they still need time to play together as a complete/whole/nobody injured team. Then and only then do we know what kind of team we have.
I see no evidence of tanking...
worse, I see precious little evidence of talent. About half the Hornets roster are glorified D-Leaguers. The keepers—-Ayon, Jack (back-up role only), maybe Aminu, Gordon if he is willing to stay, J Smith as the 11th man on the bench. Ariza, Landry, Okafor, Kamen are trade bait at best. Tre Johnson, Summers and Squeaky—nice guys who finish last. Henry is an unknown.
Monty has the team playing very hard, but he has few, precious few, options.
But guess what, a bad team beats no team at all. :)
"I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it." Groucho Marx
I Wish
But guess what, a bad team beats no team at all. :)
All the fans felt this way. I hate seeing so many empty seats at every game.
"You play to win the game."
by MrWayneKeller on Jan 18, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions

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