Eric Gordon's Extension
In some well behaved, color-by-the-lines parallel universe, Eric Gordon, on account of being the league's most talented young 2-guard and, equally importantly, if redundantly, 23 years old, is signing off on a maximum extension today. Our universe, where teams exist without owners and losing is the best form of winning, is not that one.
Yet Gordon could well be signing a long term deal here too, even if both player and contract are ultimately diminished by the health of Gordon's right knee.
The deal on the table today is for four years; its consummation would represent not only the official arrival of the team's first post-Paulian star but a significant step towards long term stability for basketball in New Orleans. Of course, the restricted free agency provision of the rookie scale contract assures that today's worst case scenario - failure to agree terms of an extension - doesn't necessitate long term doom. But signing Gordon in advance of an RFA season that will surely see at least one aggressive overture from the Indiana Pacers carries with it rather obvious advantages.
What, then, is a healthy Eric Gordon worth?
Eric Gordon the Scorer
In 2010, when Blake Griffin first began his ascent up the NBA ranks, Eric Gordon was right there beside him. Gordon's 26.5% usage rate essentially matched Griffin's 27.3%, and his efficiency (112) was equal to Blake's (111). It was Griffin that received the majority of subsequent plaudits and Kia sponsorships, exacerbated after Gordon fractured his wrist in January, but the disparity between the two in terms of overall offensive production was never especially remarkable. That Griffin performed his acrobatics as a rookie is a legitimate piece of evidence in his favor of course, but in another sense, less than three months separate the players in age.
It's tough to decide exactly how much stock should be put into Gordon's 2011 season. While the injury that took his total game count down to 56 from 80 was a freak one with minimal long term recurrence potential, playing productively for 56 games is obviously easier than doing it for 80, even before the probabilities of a statistically anomalous performance are considered.
If we take it at face value, Gordon's season was remarkable. Before 2010-2011, ten players in the modern era had posted seasons with usage rates over 25% and offensive efficiencies over 110 - Chris Paul, Amar'e Stoudemire, Chris Bosh, Shaquille O'Neal, LeBron James, Terry Cummings, Derrick Rose, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant, and Michael Jordan. Every single one of those players was a multiple-time All-Star selection. Gordon proved that he could maintain high efficiency while shouldering heavy offensive responsibility, the best way to define, despite Carmelo Anthony's ostensible protests to the contrary, an offensive NBA star.
Gordon was, depending on your optimism or lack thereof, either on the cusp of stardom or had already just passed it, only to be yanked away by his wrist injury. It's why Clippers fans' desire to retain him extended beyond simple sentimentality; Gordon didn't represent distant possibility, but rather already realized potential, however fleeting.
His strength as a scorer lay both in his efficiency and his versatility. The play he's arguably been most associated with since his arrival in New Orleans, the isolation, was only his third most utilized half-court possession type in 2011. Gordon was remarkably efficient at running the pick and roll; per Synergy Sports, Gordon scored 0.94 points per P&R possession, a shade lower than the 0.97 mark of the Hornets' Chris Paul.
He scored efficiently off of cuts and screens and even showed a reasonable off-ball post game, pinning small defenders deep in the post before catching.
A healthy Gordon fits the +6 paradigm perfectly, especially in the sense the Hornets appear to be building. Even if he doesn't develop into an elite, All-Star starter type scorer, he's almost certainly a strong secondary scorer already.
Last season, Gordon produced 112 points/100 possessions, a differential of +4.7 from league average, over 20% of total team possessions. Over a full season, that comes out to (+4.7 x 20%) a +0.94 on the +6 scale. A healthy Gordon's offense, assuming zero improvement, takes you a sixth of the way to a title. These players aren't as rare as the Chris Pauls and Dwight Howards of the NBA, but they're certainly critical building blocks. And in this current Hornets' setup, where at least a +3 or +4 defense along the lines of the team's peak a year ago is the ultimate goal, that offensive +2 to +3 juggernaut (Paul, LeBron, Nowitzki, Durant) is less necessary.
Eric Gordon the Defender
I'm more excited by Eric Gordon, the defender, than I am by Eric Gordon, the scorer. This was, a year ago, a chillingly strong individual defensive player on the perimeter.
Gordon's strongest aspect of isolation defense was his hands. Opponents turned the ball over to Gordon on almost 25% of the 97 instances that he was isolated defensively. Gordon's a gambler in this sense, but in a very different fashion than we've been accustomed to. Where Chris Paul gambled for steals at the expense of penetration, Eric Gordon very rarely swiped unless he was completely set in front of an offensive player and able to react laterally if he missed. His gambling came more in the form of personal fouls; while his overall foul count (2.3 pf/36 minutes) was tiny, the majority of his more egregious fouls came in this setting. Ultimately, Gordon's rate of a foul and a half per steal was a tradeoff worth making, even if it's worth keeping an eye on in late shot clock situations going forward.
As with everything defensive, it all starts with foot speed, evident here against the Suns' Steve Nash.
He shifts Nash towards one side, presumably the one from which help is scheduled to arrive, but even when it doesn't, he's easily able to keep Nash away from the rim.
Follow that up with one my favorite defensive sequences by any player ever:
When he was healthy last season, Gordon routinely matched up against the best opposing perimeter players - Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Martin, Monta Ellis, and so forth. Gordon was as close to becoming a lockdown, first choice perimeter defender last season as he was a top-level scoring option. In isolation situations, opponents shot 15 for 60 (25%) and in spot-up scenarios, they shot 47-161 (29%).
And that's what makes the 2012-2014 New Orleans Hornets so damn intriguing defensively if they can land a game changing big in the draft. In Gordon and Trevor Ariza, the Hornets potentially have two lock-down perimeter defenders in the starting lineup. If they can pair Emeka Okafor with a strong defensive presence this summer? That currently impossible looking jump to +6 suddenly becomes a lot more realistic. Jarrett Jack, sizable enough to be switched off regularly, can easily be hidden in the presence of two elite isolation defenders.
Eric Gordon the defender is equally as valuable as Eric Gordon the scorer; for players seeking max deals coming off rookie contracts, it's a rare trait.
Eric Gordon the Max Player?
The answer to this question, minus injury, is "yes."
Each marginal win in the NBA, over replacement level is worth about $2.2M. You can find a longer winded version of this here.
Last year, Gordon's produced somewhere between 5 and 6 wins - 5.3 by Basketball Reference's WS metric and 5.7 by Basketball Prospectus' WARP statistic. Propagating those numbers out to a full season puts him somewhere around 8 wins above a replacement level player. So assuming Gordon's development as a player stalls at this point (unlikely), he'd be worth somewhere in the region of $17M to $18M. And I'd contend this would be undervaluing and underpaying him for his true defensive impact.
A four-year max contract would pay Gordon $16M a year, below value at full health, which brings us to the importance of today, extension deadline day.
If Eric Gordon returns to the Hornets this season and plays well, Indiana will, without a shadow of a doubt, throw a full maximum deal at him over the off-season. Other teams like Cleveland will have this opportunity as well. Assuming Gordon would want to stay in New Orleans long term, the Hornets have matching rights, and the suitors themselves wouldn't be an issue as much as the loss of contract value to the team.
Small market teams need to maximize their wins per dollar above all else; a superstar player is vital not just for his talent but because the NBA salary scale prevents superstars from earning true market value. LeBron James and Chris Paul regularly outperformed their maximum contracts for Cleveland and New Orleans, and it allowed both franchises to (theoretically) spend the money they didn't need to pay for additional wins created by James and Paul on additional talent.
Eric Gordon, for all his talents, isn't in that class. Could he grow into it? Sure. For now, even if a max contract might fairly approximate his value at full health, Gordon represents a significantly lower chance of "free" wins above and beyond his yearly contract. It's why the NBA's initial stance in disallowing Dell Demps from working on an extension with Gordon was so disheartening - it forced a sort of lose-lose. If Gordon came back and played excellently, the Hornets would be forced to pay market value. If Gordon came back and played poorly, it would be an entirely different sort of failure.
By allowing the Hornets to negotiate a 4 year deal with Gordon today, Stern opened up the third possibility - getting a healthy Gordon for below market value. Of course, the third possibility also implies the existence of a significantly less pleasant fourth option - paying tens of millions of dollars a year to a player that can't play any more, and it's up to the medical staff to determine Gordon's long term injury prognosis. But yesterday's news, an independent New York doctor calling his knee "structurally sound," was a clear step forward.
If the Hornets have ultimately determined that Gordon's knee will present no long term issues, a prerequisite, one might imagine, for any sort of contract extension offer, anything around the 4 year, $48M mark is a steal. In fact, only a deal in this range really makes much sense. Even with Gordon arguably worth the max, the team ultimately owns matching rights this summer. If Gordon's camp sticks firmly to the max, they'll still be able to receive it after the Pacers (or someone else) officially put it forward in the summer. But if there's any middle ground to be reached, today's the day.
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My problem with Anthony Davis
If the Hornets picked Davis the starting lineup to begin 12-13 would be Jack, Gordon, Ariza, Davis, Okafor. Four defenders (although Davis will struggle defending man-on-man against a quality PF he will be excellent on thre pick-and-roll and on weakside help) sounds great, except they also have to play offense. Ariza, Davis and Okafor are all limited offensive players. Do you think going offense in the draft (Sullinger for polish or Jones III for potential) would create a team that fits together better with a higher ceiling?
by usnfish on Jan 25, 2012 6:59 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Great question
I’m personally extremely, extremely high on Davis and think you have to take him if you have the shot. I really think he’s the best defensive college prospect of the last 20 years.
But this is still a great point, one well worth considering. I like Davis a lot as an offensive prospect as well, but obviously Sullinger (and I’d guess Jones too, but haven’t seen him often enough to say for sure) are better there.
Davis
Is an amazing defensive prospect. Watching last night against Georgia he has absurd upside. But offensively he is incredibly limited. Seeing how thin he is and the inability to dominate offensively (despite Kentucky playing with an NBA roster in a weak SEC) is concerning. I was watching and thought, “Davis could be great or he could be Anthony Randolph.” Who knows what his potential could be on the top end. I can’t think of anyone.
by usnfish on Jan 25, 2012 7:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
true
but he’s got that running hook as well as the makings of a midrange game.
top end comp for me would be kg
by Rohan on Jan 25, 2012 7:21 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Davis vs Sullinger
Davis measured at 6’10" with a 7’4" wingspan. Sullinger 6’10" with a 7’1" wingspan. (Stoudemire Skills Camp 2011) Davis has a potential from Anthony Randolph to Kevin Garnett. Sullinger has a potential from Paul Milsap? to Kevin Love/Elton Brand/Carlos Boozer I think. Davis you hope he is going to pack on another 20+ pounds. Sullinger has already demonstrated the ability to lose weight (see the 20 or so pounds he dropped this off-season). Davis you hope develops a offensive identity. Sullinger is already working on expanding his from low post virtuoso to the 3 point line (shooting 47% from deep this season and a respectable 75% from the line). Davis has a much higher ceiling, Sullinger is a much safer pick.
Honestly I expect us to win some games and push us out of serious contention for a top three pick. Of course the NBA conspiracy theorist would expect us to win the lottery anyway as part of the deal to sell the team. I worry that a top pick on Davis or Drummond turns into a bust. Length and outstanding athelticism might excite Jay Bilas but it is a risky play if history has taught us anything.
by usnfish on Jan 25, 2012 8:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
How the depth works...
Also is a concern. It is expected that Landry and Kaman will not be on the roster next year. Landry’s effort and ability to finish at the rim will be missed. We will still have Okafor, (his contract isn’t overpriced but I do not see how we trade him and I think he fits what Coach Williams wants to do) Draft Pick, Smith and Ayon. Okafor has progressed on offense but still is a defense first player, Smith is getting better but his greatest strength is his range and height, Ayon is going to be an excellent.defender with great quickness and a high basketball IQ. None of these players are reliable back-to-the-basket scorers. Two of them are much above average defenders (Okafor to protect the rim, Ayon is amazing on the P&R) and Smith is becoming a jack-of-all trades.
Also next year our back court depth should be Jack, Gordon, Ariza, Vasquez and Henry. None of these players are particularly great creators for others. Ariza and Gordon are lockdown defenders, Henry has the potential to be one.
Looking at that roster I see the need for a low post scorer (Sullinger fits best) and either a pass-first PG (UNC’s Kendall Marshall?) or an additional high upside scoring wing (Kentucky’s Terrence Jones?).
by usnfish on Jan 25, 2012 8:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sullinger
my main problem with him is his size. Especially if we end up hanging onto Okafor till he finishes his contract…
Size?
I do not follow how a 6’10" 260 lbs PF has a size issue in the NBA. A 6’10" 214 lbs PF is going to be at a much greater disadvantage day one, regardless of length. Having long arms isn’t going to matter when a player like Carl Landry has backed Davis underneath the basket.
by usnfish on Jan 25, 2012 11:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I've heard
he’s closer to 6-8. He has relied on his strength against inferior collegiate opponents. That size w/o good athleticism could be him on too level footing with NBA PF’s thus limiting his back to the basket game. I’m sure he’ll develop some and get around this but his ceiling isn’t nearly as high as a number of other lottery picks.
His height
Sullinger (and Davis) were both measured 6’10" at the Amar’e Stoudemire skills camp. Many websites list Sullinger at 6’9", they also still post his weight as 286 even though that was his pre-season weight his freshman year. I agree that Davis has a higher ceiling than Sullinger. Sullinger also is the safest pick in my opinion.
by usnfish on Jan 25, 2012 2:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hmm
made the same comparison. Also, since I’m so sure of Davis’ future, his floor to me is Chris Bosh. As far as the Anthony Randolph comparison, it’s not a valid one. AD is well regarded as a very intelligent player. AR never has come close.
I agree
On the basketball IQ side of things, but Davis went 1-2 with 4 points and 11 rebounds against Georgia in 39 minutes. He can afford to be a non-factor on a roster like Kentucky’s. But can the Hornets blow a top three pick on that kind of production?
by usnfish on Jan 25, 2012 11:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's semi foolish to project
he’d have trouble on the offensive side of the ball during his entire NBA tenure. Have your read his scouting reports? All the tools seem to be there + he was a PG. I assume a significant part of the reason why he hasn’t blossomed offensively is because of Kentucky’s depth. Regardless though, he has the potential to be one of the best defenders to come out of the draft in the last 20 years. For that reason alone you take him. Remember, we still have another pick and it’ll almost assuredly be top 15.
"It's why the NBA's initial stance in disallowing Dell Demps from working on an extension with Gordon was so disheartening"
Where did you receive this information? Zimmer?
I understand that Zimmer is part of SB Nation, but his article yesterday was an obvious attempt to discredit Stern. Just as his coverage of the lockout was in support of the players. Everyone is entitled to their opinions in life, but as a journalist writers should have an obligation to present the facts, as opposed, to “the sources say…” and create the “new news!”
The truth is that no one knew the inner workings of this deal except Gordon, his agent, the Hornets top executives, Stern, and a few others, and that is why I didn’t finish reading Zimmer’s article yesterday. He was speaking a bunch of crap that he knows absolutely nothing about. But his sources say…..really?
It seemed more to me that Zimmer was taking out a personal vendetta against a man rather than discussing an issue, and we all know that in this game the first reporter to report the information wins the day.
If I am gong to invest millions into a long term deal then I too am going to run every test possible to verify that my investment is a sound one. I am not sure how this approach became translated as Stern is disallowing any negotiations.
I do appreciate this site. The members are obviously knowledgeable and your reporting is well thought out, informative, and non-pretentious. At the Hive has become my primary source for Hornets information and a daily routine for me.
My apologies if something more substantial was released regarding this issue that I am unaware of or if I missed something in the Zimmer article due to the fact that I couldn’t finish reading it.
Not to nitpick
but to totally nitpick, I think you’re talking about Ziller.
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by OnPointLikeCP3 on Jan 25, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe
In yesterday’s comments, I made the same remark that we weren’t sure how much progress was being made behind the scenes. However, what makes you so sure Ziller has a vendetta? I read his article as yet another instance where Stern failed to handle the matter before the last minute. Just like Stern and the NBA should have alerted Demps that they wanted any CP3 deal resulting in potential young studs, they should have told Demps he was free to give a max deal to Gordon weeks ago (upon learning the knee is ok).
Monday, Yahoo! Sports
“Gordon told Yahoo! Sports on Monday night he was informed by Hornets general manager Dell Demps that Stern must decide whether to extend an offer. The NBA owns the Hornets. Gordon wants to re-sign with New Orleans, but is uncertain if or when Stern will reach out to him or Pelinka”
Regardless of what someone's sources say
I just don’t believe there have been no conversations whatsoever between EG’s camp and Dell. Maybe the green light was not there, but not even discussions? No preliminary drafts of what is certain to be a lengthy contract? Just don’t believe it. It is not realistic.
by m-W on Jan 25, 2012 11:23 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Sorry, I should have been more clear on that
and specifying that Demps wasn’t allowed to * finalize * any deal with Gordon, as per the Y! story Monday. You’re right.
Let's Get The Deal Done
And make me a happy Hornets fan.
In response to your article, Rohan…. yes. Just, yes.
"You play to win the game."
Why not wait until the last minute?
Most of other teams are doing it as well.. This allows the market to develop, the team to evaluate his value as a restricted free agent in upcoming free agency, and it gives specialist more time to evaluate the long term health risks of Gordon. 48 million is a true game changing commitment. Why not make sure it is the best direction for the team? But, more importantly, why are we questioning our approach when almost every other team with restricted free agents is doing the exact same thing as us. We made an offer before the Wolves presented one to Love.
Ziller: “David Stern Abuses Authority Of Hornets’ Ownership”
“Apparently, Stern enjoyed the dramatics of the CP3 ordeal so much he wanted another round. "
“this is an abuse of power. These negotiations are held in the shadows, but we know the type of bargainer David Stern has always been. He’s a ballbuster. He talks about “enormous consequences” and “nuclear winters” and chides anyone who dares stick a toe in his path. As he reportedly told Billy Hunter and a locker room full of NBA All-Stars a year ago, he knows where the bodies are buried, because he put some of them there."
“Did Stern or his cadre of confidants talk to CP3 before that deal went down to convince him this was the only way to get traded? Given Stern’s ultimate power in the league and his clear willingness to use it like a cudgel, isn’t that an abuse of authority?”
This is all argumentative, subjective and opinionated, and I cannot consider this news. It may not be a vendetta but it is definitely anti-Stern, and if you followed him through the lockout this is no surprise.
In my opinion Stern has, so far: kept the team in NOLA, rejected outside buyers wanting to move the team, improved the trade assets for CP3, and made some progress with collective bargaining. Yes, he said he wouldn’t interfere with BB operations, but guess what, when we are talking about a 350 million dollar investment sometimes things are going to change. That is just the way things work out sometimes.
by Downtowndave78 on Jan 25, 2012 11:36 AM CST reply actions
The Wolves have been going back and forth with
Love for a bit now. It’s just they gave him a low-ball offer to begin with (4 years, mid-50’s, which gradually came up to 4/60 and 4/62 these last few days).
I'm impressed, Rohan
I am a newbie to this site and your use of statistics to bolster your position is very impressive. Getting a max deal for four years is a good compromise for Gordon and the Hornets. I assume the Hornets will buy insurance to protect themselves against the risk of Gordon suffering a permanent injury.
A very good first step to rebuilding this franchise.
Great question
I don’t know the answer. I know the Knicks were unable to insure Stoudamire’s contract when he signed because of his bad knees. And, I don’t think teams would bother to insure smaller contracts. Only big $s, long-term deals. Perhaps, others can educate both of us on this issue.
But the statistics Rohan posted regarding Gordon are outstanding...
It makes you wonder if he stays healthy and continues to improve whether or not he could become that “special type of player”.
I have never really seen him play, and I can’t wait.
by Downtowndave78 on Jan 25, 2012 11:39 AM CST reply actions
I like this deal
…but I think next year’s draft will be a puzzle for the Hornets..I agree with the comments that it looks like, if we take Davis, we will have the ability to hold the other team to under 30 points, but lose 30-29.
But I do worry that Sullinger is a completely below the rim player…then again, so was Sir Charles, and he was 4 inches shorter.
"I've seen George Foreman shadow box, and the shadow won." Muhammad Ali
That's my biggest problem with him as well
And he can’t defend the rim either.. his best defensive move is taking charges, which he tries quite often against significantly smaller players, often a couple feet in front of the hoop.
Sir Charles
was an ox who had a great face up game – shoot from the perimeter or get a head of steam and take his man off the dribble.
Picks Haul
With our own pick, there are several top 10 level PF’s avail., inc. Moultrie of Miss. St.. Hell, Baylor has 2 of ‘em. So even if we don’t get the big names because we win too much after Gordon comes back, we’re good.
With the Minn. pick ( mid round ), 3 1st rd. quality PGs ( Marshall, Teague, & Kabongo) should be there.
If / when we trade Kaveman or Landry, we probably get at least 1 more pick for this year, plus maybe future picks. I think a late round big worthy of a pick will be there. LSU has a 7 footer that looks like Kaveman’s younger, more fluid brother. I think he got 22&16 on Al. or Fla. recently & would come out if made a 1st rd. choice.
That would be Justin Hamilton
Legit 7 footer. Game has some polish. Nice touch out to about 18 feet and soft touch around the basket. Slow. Real slow. He was a huge pick up for LSU this year as they needed the size badly. He’s come up big in a few games and the night BRBallb is referring to was his 27 points and 8 boards against against a good FL team. Rebounding numbers leave something to be desired. I’d like to seem him against some more good teams (plays Miss St tonight). Still not sure he’s an NBA guy. He is a junior and likely will be back next year. He’s someone to maybe keep an eye on, but I don’t think he’s generated any serious NBA interest as of yet.
+6 Differential Goal
Appreciate your articles very much, Rohan. Thanks for the read and the education. Will be looking for updates!
Pacers fan here
We love EJ, but most fans are balking at his injury history. I love your breakdown, and think this article is well thought-out, and damn near spot-on, but the injuries take a significant luster off of “Eric Gordon the Max Player.”
Eric’s a great person with a great family. Class act. I know some of his family members and am friends with his high school coach, Doug Mitchell. I KNOW he’d love to be here and he’d be well received. I think he’d mean more to this franchise than any player since Reggie Miller. All that said, I can’t get my head around offering him $15+ mil per, especially not when we’re going to have pony up an inflated amount to keep Roy Hibbert this off-season. Unless NOR would want Danny Granger and a draft pick for Gordon in a max sign-and-trade, I don’t see it working cap-wise for Indiana to even consider acquiring EJ this summer (without giving up on Hibbert, who’s going to cost a lot more than we ever thought), let alone writing him an offer sheet.
Also, we’d probably need to see him play for, you know, some amount of time at a high level before even signing-and-trading Granger for him. The EJ-to-Indiana dream is in the process of dying with every minute NOR considers him a max guy, and every minute Roy Hibbert establishes himself as a potential max guy (which feels weird even typing).
But yeah, Cleveland could be a problem, so extending him today at a discount would be a boon for you guys.
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Pacers are below salary floor
The Pacers are currently $2 or $3 million under the NBA minimum salary number. So, the Pacers can afford Gordon even if they have to pay big $s to resign Hibbert. West was signed for two years only, so the Pacers could go after Gordon aggressively, if they want to do so. Small market or not, Gordon for four years would be a very good risk.
That's not true
Not only are we slightly above the salary floor (Posey counts toward it, but that won’t matter next year when this actually becomes an argument) but if we signed EJ to the max we’d have to give up on making a competitive offer to one of three players (Hill in 2012, Hansbrough and Collison in 2013) and/or put ourselves at risk of not being able to match Paul George in 2014 without going over the cap. Our owners and front office may be perceived as money savvy, but they’re also pretty trigger shy. We only roster 13 guys, and one of them’s inactive. I doubt they EVER go over the cap in the Bird/Pritchart era. And if Paul George ever turns into a star, we won’t have the money to match him (even though we’ll have his rights) without going over the cap.
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Stars versus rotation players
Hill, Hansbrough and Collison are rotation players, dispensable if the Pacers want to make a bold move for Gordon who would absolutely sell tickets. Before George’s contract comes up in 2014, the Pacers will want to trade Granger. Gordon, Hibbert, George become the Pacers’ big 3.
Completely agree that EG is a max player
A) he is/will be a top-10 NBA scorer when healthy and is also B) a potential top-10 perimeter defender. Those kind of players don’t come along very often. And as was stated in previous articles (which I agree with), even though this first extension on his rookie deal doesn’t guarantee Gordon will be here for life (see CP3), the fact that the guy is showing some loyalty and WANTS to stay here (after getting disrespected by the Clippers), is worth ponying up the dough.
As for our draft pick(s), I’m sticking by my choice of Sullinger over Davis. This team is such a hard-nosed, scrappy, defensive team with a lot of players that fit that mold well; adding a player such as Davis does fit into that mold, but we need someone who can score and get easy buckets in the post, especially if we let Landry walk after the year or trade him at the deadline (which I don’t wanna see, being he’s my fav player on this team). We will be fine defensively with Okafor, Gordon, et al still here and with Monty in charge, but getting a potential offensive stud as Sullinger is too good to pass up.
My top 5 draft board:
1. Anthony Davis
2. Mike Kidd-Gilchrist
3. Perry Jones III
4. Jared Sullinger
5. Thomas Robinson
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by OnPointLikeCP3 on Jan 25, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
edited list.
1. Davis
2. MKG
3. Jones III
4. T-Rob – ranked here because of his size issues.
5. Drummond – He has great potential asa center, but I’m a bit wary of him.
6. Sullinger
7. Harrison Barnes
8. John Henson
9. Quincy Miller
10. Terrence Jones
and if Tony Wroten declared for the draft, I’d simultaneously pee and crap myself in excitement.
/wouldn’t really
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by OnPointLikeCP3 on Jan 25, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
Jones scares me
His scouting reports all mention a lack of motor and aversion to contact. Not exactly ideal traits for a PF.
But his potential is off the charts.
And his size – 6’11! Monty is great at getting guys to play defense, and Jones is already a great rebounder.
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by OnPointLikeCP3 on Jan 25, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
One Thing Monty Can't Teach
Is effort. I’m with Will here.
"You play to win the game."
by MrWayneKeller on Jan 25, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
coming from a uk fan/student
MKG and Davis would be great fits but I dont see either of them being able to create their own shots in the NBA. and whatever happen don’t draft Terrence Jones, he is horrible
from what I know about Jones
is that he can only do anything with his left hand. Absolutely can’t dribble with his right hand. Am I right?
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by OnPointLikeCP3 on Jan 25, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
Bigs on ESPN 3
Hamilton of LSU and Moultrie of Miss. St. on ESPN 3 @ 8. Hamilton got 27 & 8 vs. Fla., 23 & 16 vs. O. Miss, 21 &9 vs. Virginia. Moultrie 6’11" PF in everybody.s top 10. Hamilton could be had late & looks like a low cost, more athletic Kaman replacement. One of the draft websites has Moultrie as our 1st pick.
That will be a good test for Hamilton
He’s got a lot on his shoulders with O’Bryant III out. I’ll definitely be tuning into that one (until the Hornets start).
Any word
On progress yet? 7 hours to go…
by usnfish on Jan 25, 2012 3:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Tic...tic, tic..tic, tic
oh my lord, now I am channeling Chris Berman…I’m so ashamed.
Come on guys, get the deal done…please
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by BenDerDonDat on Jan 25, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
I'd Imagine
The team will try to be as tight lipped as possible; especially considering how much PR mess came out of the Chris Paul situation. Hopefully here soon the deal is announced! I think the market can be assessed by deals that people like Kevin Love and Russell Westbrook got (I can’t believe Love took that deal to be honest). Hopefully they’re just ironing out the years, amount, etc. Make it happen!
"You play to win the game."
by MrWayneKeller on Jan 25, 2012 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
John Reid just now:
“Hornets’ Dell Demps continues to be in negotiations with Eric Gordon’s agent, Rob Pelinka, for an extension to be completed.”
NEWS!!!
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Rally Squirrel will steal yo gurl.
SANI BOOOOOY!!!
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by OnPointLikeCP3 on Jan 25, 2012 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
OMG
RIVETING STUFF!
"You play to win the game."
by MrWayneKeller on Jan 25, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
LSU, Bigs ESPN 3 @ 7
8 was EST, my bad. But we can have Hamilton and Moultrie on the computer at the same time the Hornets are on the tube.

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