Pistons 89, Hornets 87: More Malice in the Palace
No gamethread quote tonight, though MrWayneKeller''s "Ugh. Sadness" likely captures the general sentiment quite well.
Rasheed Wallace's timeless "both teams played hard" was especially appropriate tonight. With Jarrett Jack already sidelined by an injury, Brandon Knight broke his nose, Carl Landry injured his left leg and did not return, and Jason Smith probably, probably suffered some sort of concussion-like symptoms. But through it all, New Orleans was able to pull out the loss at the end, against a team that will represent some of their primary competition in the draft lottery this June. Detroit now pulls two games clear of the Hornets, with the current "leaderboard" looking thusly:
Not too shabby at all. With Eric Gordon projected to return by at least some point in March, every loss the Hornets collect at this stage is important. With enough luck, they'll have piled up an insurmountable lead on Sacramento, Toronto, Detroit, and the rapidly improving New Jersey. Washington and Charlotte though will be there till the bitter end.
The game itself wasn't particularly noteworthy. Lots of mistakes, as we've become accustomed to (an 18% turnover rate for the Hornets). Lots of missed shots, as we've also become accustomed to (and that includes the shocking and rare sight of a multiple converted threes from Trevor Ariza). Greg Monroe was clearly the best player on the floor for either team, and while Ariza randomly matched him despite taking 8 of his 12 shots from 17 feet or further, the game wasn't as close as the final score line indicates. Detroit simply out-executed New Orleans in the last few minutes, and the result wasn't in question for at least the last 60 seconds.
As for the players themselves - Greivis Vasquez had another reasonably creative game. The turnovers (holy jump passing batman!) were up, but again, it's harsh to hold that against him. Al Aminu had, by the box score, a very solid game with 14 points on 9 shots and only (!) three turnovers. For the most part, he seemed just as out of control as normal, so I'm going to have to go back and watch the footage on him tomorrow. And the puzzling lack of minutes for the highly productive Gustavo Ayon continue. With Chris Kaman ostensibly back in the fold, this is not a very good sign at all. It's too early to draw parallels between Ayon and the Marcus Thornton situation, but for a team with very minimal talent and a ridiculously bleak outlook in the short term, Gustavo Ayon playing fewer minutes than any other active player (and Xavier Henry drawing a DNP) is just not acceptable.
Anyways, go Eli Manning.
(P.S. The answer to the Pregame Moment of Zen - P.J. Brown outrebounded the entire Pistons team (a team that had Ben Wallace on it) (!!!!). As far as I know, this was the 4th time in NBA history such a thing had ever happened, and the only time in the last 20 years or so. Moses did in '82, Sir Charles in '92, and Seikaly in '93).
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Hornets got mugged
I rarely complain about refs, but they were horrible. Disagree about Aminu…they used him differently last night, incorporating him into motion offense along base line and low post. He is making strides. Also I love Ayon but Monty got frustrated because Goose did not know some of the offensive sets.
Anyway tough for Hornets to win without Jack, playing Sqeaky, without Landry in second half.
Ariza actually played pretty well last night. Shooting guard position, on the other hand, is an unmitigated disaster. Mizzou has four guards who are better players. Kentucky has bench players who are better. Heck, there may be high schoolers who are better.
"I've seen George Foreman shadow box, and the shadow won." Muhammad Ali
5th straight game
This is the 5th straight game we’ve been outrebounded (in absolute terms at least).
Dominating the glass is no longer a given without Kaman. Not that I’m dying to have Kaman back on the floor, but it’s just another new issue that we have to deal with without him.
One overlooked fact
..is how much we miss the rebounding of CP3. He covered for a lot of rebounding deficiencies in the past couple of years.
"I've seen George Foreman shadow box, and the shadow won." Muhammad Ali
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Anyways, go Eli Manning
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i dont want to beat a dead horse here but
we need moar Ayon, 14 minutes, 4rebounds(2 offensive!) 2 blocks and 5 points, he played as much as Squeaky that is unacceptable! specially because of our need for rebounding and defense
Haha. Sarcasm much?
“Not too shabby at all. With Eric Gordon projected to return by at least some point in March, every loss the Hornets collect at this stage is important.” Deadpan.
Perfect. My soul hurt last night, but now it’s just on to the next loss. Er, game.
Securing The L's
Watching 1 or 2 guys play well & develop but pulling out the L in the end is a W for us now. W’s scare me. A W is an L. Remember, we’re watching next years 2nd unit & and we want to add a potential all star to Gordon, Jack, Ariza, and some max contract big. Plus we should have another couple 1st rounders later to add young talent. I think we could get a Zeller or Leonard at C, & a late round PG to groom, maybe Kabongo or Teague.
To counteract the W’s that might pile up w/Gordon’s return, I think we trade Okafor and start Kaman. Foreshadowing in place. If that fails, Gordon could experience lingering soreness & we could start Belli or Summers. That oughta match anything the Wiz or Bobcats could do.
Kaman
I agree, Kaman needs time at the 5, where he is use to play. Monty’s overall love affair with Okafor has to bend a little and let the more dominant post player, Kaman, thrive! At worst he ups his value!!!
Grevis
Grevis atleast penetrates and passes to flow the offense and get the bigs the ball. He should run the Offense even when Jack gets back!
Suddenly we're thin up front
Carl Landry out 2-4 weeks with Grade 2 MCL sprain and Smith with a possible concussion? Kaman suddenly looks like he’ll get full run and Ayon should see minutes in the 20’s? As far as Ayon’s time against the Pistons, a friend of mine noticed some things. He was out of position several times on both ends of the floor as though he still hasn’t learned all of Monty’s schemes. This makes much MORE sense than us trying to compare his situation to Thornton’s of last year. Marcus flat out never got/followed/whatever what Monty wanted out of him most of the time. Watching SAC this year, I can see how he really just misses a ton of assignments. With Ayon, I feel once he gets a better handle on things, he’ll get a lot more consistent run. Giving Monty the benefit of the doubt so don’t let me down!
Ayon
Barely speaks English. Defense is about communication (as a team). As his English understanding improves I think he will be in position more often. Many have pointed out he is much better with Vasquez on the court than without. Also Grevious is much more of a European-style PG than Jack (who embodies all the negative qualities in a combo guard being forced to play PG in my opinion) so it’s a style he better understands without verbalization.
I would like the Hornets to go into more of a system offense. Monty Williams may need to bring in an assistant “offensive coordinator”-esque coach to make that happen. Even with whoever we draft (Davis, Sullinger) they are not isolation offensive players. We need more off ball motion, more cutting and more complexity. Think how the Celtics look on offense (on a good day when their legs aren’t dead).
I think that's fair enough
Unfortunately, I also agree about MT in SAC. Guy is just chucking away at this point.

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